Has the same pen of a M60 at a higher BR, sure it can move quickly, but many tanks move quickly too. Also the coax only has 50mm of pen
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None of this disproves its not the best 8.3 MBT. (it is). Listing the few downsides it has is not some gotcha
Having only APDS isn’t a massive hinderance at it’s BR, armor only really starts becoming a factor on MBTs at around 9.0/9.3, and even these armored MBTs are vulnerable to standard APDS/HEAT in fairly consistent weakspots. Not to mention the autoloaded gun and the coax makes it very forgiving for the occasional misplaced shot. And it’s already adept at getting to the flanks, where merely having OK pen doesn’t really hurt it.
Just to put it into perspective, let’s compare some 8.0 MBTs to their direct successors at 8.3.
For the TURM, you take a Leopard 1, and you give it a stabilizer, a 5 second autoloader, a 30mm coax which shreds light vehicles/SPAA due to the APHE shells, and best in class gun depression at 12 degrees.
For the T-55A, you take a T-54, and give it a stabilizer, and the single worst dart in game. Also, you’re at a tier where your armor absolutely no longer works, even in downtiers.
For the M60A1 AOS, you take an M60, and give it a stabilizer, and a turret that’s more resistant against APHE rounds that you won’t be fighting anymore at 8.3.
Do you see the difference here?
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Okay and ?
If it had any armor against darts it would instantly be a 9.0+ worthy vehicle.
just enough to kill you through a cupola
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50mm is plenty considering its APHE
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I have literally top fragged a 10.7 match in the TOG, this isnt confirming anything really
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That’s not 10, but still pretty good.
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I guess I was wrong, my personal experiences likely differ from many of those by the community
Its literally a glass cannon,you spit at that garbage it implodes
That however cannot be said for the T58
Shot that tank with APDS with a gepard and nothing,0 damage cause volumetric being absolutely trash
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Same goes for pretty much anything that get shot by Turm III’s APDS.
Cant manage to kill anything in the T58 turret tho,cause volumetric so bad makes this tank has infinite armor
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So Turm III will struggle against another crazy OP vehicle.
How about the rest.
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Its pretty much a stupid thing to say,anything that its already looking at you when youre in a Turm 3 would ALWAYS and ALWAYS means you being killed
Thats not the case with the T58 tho,too much volumetric issues making insanely hard to kill meanwhile he can kill 5 people in 2 seconds by shooting just a nanopixel of the track barely showing cause thats how these shells works IRL clearly
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Being stabilized in the Turm 3 isnt even that much of an excuse,you rarely will shoot on move going 80 km,its good to pick a hill,shoot and hide tho,which proves my point,if they are looking at you,you cant peek
Just because T58 is insanely busted doesn’t mean Turm III isn’t busted as well.
When playing against heaps of unstabilized tanks, yes it is.
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Sorry to have vanished…
No i never said the Turm 3 its not Strong but MY own point was to properly fix the issues of the core game itself before doing random BR changes
Moving it up isn’t a random BR change.
Both of those are kings of 8.3.
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People whining about the Turm III never gets old. Not only is it super easy to kill. It’s facing tanks which are faster than it and can absolutely obliterate it. The Oerlikons/auto cannons it faces at it’s BR tend to absolutely vaporize it.
The Turm III is basically an oversized rat vehicle that primarily shines in downtiers. Even at 9.3 it’s virtually non existent because it’s not competitive anymore. It’s not a vehicle you see people bring to higher BRs, much less have it do work there.
Unlike some other vehicles. And the metrics don’t support the constant whining about it either.
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You literally fail to grasp the INSANE difference between the Turm 3 and T58
If you would play any other tank the same as the Turm 3 then every tank its king of 8.3,thats literally logical
Youre literally made out of paper facing very good tanks and op autocannons and SPAA…so whatever looks at you,youre dead…
This cant be said for T58 tho,tanky as hell,one taps ANYTHING by shoot the track and reload as fast as the Turm for 5 shots
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