Skilled players will use the better thrust to dogfight better. The radar is really only beneficial in BVR which both f15 can’t do cause of the typhoons. Sure my typhoon can kill f15s easier, but I’ve lose to f15es before cause of skill issue. F15ge is way easier to kill which is probably why I see more f15e than f15ge still. That aesa radar is no good for the f15 currently. American pilots need every advantage to push that frame to its limits.
im sorry did i read that right? to dogfight??, im pretty sure the streagle has literally the worst airframe performance in the entirety of top tier, actually probably the worst airframe above like 13.0
the F15E is designed for BVR but thanks to gaijin not knowing how multipathing works for 1, and two putting this brick from the 80s with planes from almost 2010 in some cases, its nowhere near as capable in BVR, and was outdone by even the old rafale at high altitudes
i just fail to see literally any use for the thing whatsoever
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Not the one or two circle fights, like engagements within 5-10 miles.
Yeah I said it before but the in service year competition is insane. The F15E is not dead though, its just best used as a mid-late match fighter. The typhoons BVR first.
su30sm2 we have ingame is a future aircraft lol
If the EFT loses an engagement like that against the F-15E that is almost always the result of a mistake or even straight up skill issue by the EFT.
AIM-120C are good only when you restrict your playstyle as a long range BVR shooter, in F15E it means that shooting all your missiles at the initial BVR exchange. IMO it’s the only whay F15E could be played now.
As for F15C GE, I run full 120C, only engaging BVR by the SA of AESA. It could be done if you are smart and with a little luck, and KD is decent. Later game I would run 8 120C + 2 120A + 2 9M, but that’s another type of strategy.
And russian bias isnt real they say
Issue there is that eve try other plane at its BR outdoes it, the SM2 outdoes the streagle in radar, missile quantity and quality, turn rate, and even thrust. Theres just nothing going for it at all unless they eventually add rank 9 and put the SM2 with stuff like the F-22 and SU-57, which gaijin would never do
no it dosent
the su30sm2 has worse turn rate than the su27 due to its weight
Are… are you trying to argue the F15E has a better turn rate than the SU30SM2? The plane with a much better eing layout, more thrust, thrust vectoring, and canards from the modern sge of jets vs… a brick from the 80s?
iam not arguing it, it is a fact, the Su-30SM2 is over 3 tons heavier than the F-15E
non of those increase STR
when do you think the canarded flankers were designed?
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idk if statshark models thrust vectoring though
TVC dosent help with STR
it also will not change your lift boundry
if anything with the current modeling of TVC it is harder to achive that STR than without it
it changes ITR though, which is not shown by statshark
because statshark only shows lift boundary
it doesnt change the stable AoA
it only makes it easier to push past the stable AoA, or lift boundry
and once you exceed that lift boundry your wings will still stall even with TVC
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ok? warthunder doesnt model stall behavior well though
so SU30SM2 in game effectively has a much better ITR than F15
and how will you win a dogfight with relying on ITR?
you will pull hard once, lose all your speed and hover wherever you are
in that case the f-15 can just go vertical to cash in energy while the Su-30 is doing whatever it is doing at low speed
R-73? and putting more distance just gets you outside the R-77-1 min range
this whole argument is about the turn performance
missiles have no part in this disscussion
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ITR is very important for pulling to notch a missile