An angled VK 3002 is impenetrable by damn near everything, especially in a downtier.
It’s not just above average, it’s one of the fastest vehicles in its BR range, second only to the Puma and M18, MAYBE the M42.
The firepower is amazing, and thus it would have 0 issues performing well at 5.3/7
This doesn’t work since tons of new players play US/USSR/Germany and make the vehicles look worse than they are.
Any tank is more capable than bosvark for ground combat.
I enjoyed but no often at the least in the last 5 years. Anyone can go to Thunderskill and check my last battle played and check how i rarely play Germany.
Firepower is not the only parameter for determinate BR. Is like sugges move M56 to 7.7 “cuz his firepower and movility”.
Whether or not the VK 3002 has good stats, my point stands. Gaijin does have the vehicle’s stats and will increase or decrease its BR based on how it performs. In my opinion it should 100% not be moved up, but as somebody who shreds them at 4.7, 3.7 or 5.7, I don’t honestly care, free kills no matter the BR.
Also how can you reasonably use downtiers as an argument point? They’re designed to be uncommon, and most tanks will massacre everybody else in a downtier.
Brother. Good lord. How can you possibly believe that is a good reason to change the BR. That’s literally the entire point??? “New players are playing the VK 3002 and making it look bad but in theory it belongs in 5.7 so let’s take it away from them.” No! Absolutely not! If the majority of players are doing ok with it at 4.7 or wherever it is right now, whether it is because they are new players or not, it doesn’t need changes! We should not and have not been determining BRs based on the theoretical max-performance of a vehicle, it’s based on how the players play the vehicle. It’s an extreme example, but say there’s a vehicle at 2.0 with something like 200 mm HE shells that can almost certainly kill anything at that BR. It might be started at a higher BR, but if players generally suffer with it at 3.7 it will be moved down. It doesn’t matter if the best players can take it and win consistently even in uptiers, if most people seem to suck with it it should and will be moved down.
I would still be careful. Last time i looked on that website, it said the javelin had a win rate of 80% with a k/d of 6 for air rb
TS web was updated few weaks ago.
I play Germany only for the last like 8 years in this game and even I would never touch VK, I still have PTSD from Panther D’s turret rotation speed. Like - I can’t take it with my funny 4.7 setup, but I also can’t take it with my 6.0 setup, because there almost anyone can just pen it through the upper front plate, so what’s the matter? I actually would prefer puma to that thing, lol.
Player skill affecting BRs is pretty believeable. The Char25T would be 7.3 if it was in the German tree, and the VK.3002 would be 5.7 if it was in the french tree.
Relying purely on efficeincy for determining the BR of a vehicle is bad.
My entire point, as opposed to theirs which is “The VK 3002 is akshually really good just played by bad players, raise the BR”. Literally my entire paragraph was “player skill affects BRs”. Not sure if I misinterpreted what you said though
You cant blame the Vehicle for the fact we have the stupid tier system.
It’s not very stupid imo. Based on how well people do with a vehicle, it is moved up or down and fights better and worse vehicles. That sounds good.
The only difference between the VK and the Panther D is that the VK is more mobile and that the Panther D gets some extra armor on the front and a bit on the turret.
And no, the majority of guns can not penetrate the front armor easily. Only tanks with the 17pdr or the 85mm can penetrate the front reliable and it still has more armor than a lot of other tanks.
Very funny when it has more armor than a T-34 or Sherman.
I don’t really see a point to the VK being more mobile than the Panther D with decent armor to stay at a lower BR. Both have the same tank destroyer playstyle of staying at range, where the reduced armor of the VK becomes even less of an issue, since 17pdr and 85mm can’t pen the Panther D front even at close range, but you don’t want to fight at that range anyway.
The other 5.0 contender are:
Which all have in common that they have less (frontal) armor but much better traverse speed.
Some have less, other more post-pen damage.
So while the VK is kinda unbeaten in long range sniper role, the others are just more effective in a more active and aggresive play style, which is probably the reason why it stays at 5.0.
I doubt that lowering the Panther D to 5.0 would make a difference as well.
Really the only common weapon at 5.0+ that can’t reliably UFP the VK is the M1, which can still do so pretty easily at close range and also has no issues penetrating the turret.
I can live with some uptiers but when my WW2 tank is propelled forty years into the future it’s a no from me.Sherman vs a Panther, yeah that was WW2, that is how it was. It is mostly why I stay at lower tiers.The rise in BR is not as painful or silly.
The VK3002’s only stable mate at 5BR ,the German KV was 4.7 when I started playing and was much more fun and much more useful then.It was 4.7 for ages.I am not in favour of shifting BR for little reason.I also think many of us have to make line ups of varying BR any way some its a moot point the fact its 5BR.
True
one its not the fastest, pretty sure for non light tanks that is given to the breda 501, then the delat torn. also its just fast, its mobility is still insanely poor and likely one of the poorest of the br. because its traverse and reverse is still insanely bad.
secondly its gun is good, but not broken. mainly because its only good in the pen department when it comes to german guns at this br range. and its armour is good but not strong like the panthers. its very much on par with the m4a3 hull.
and finally ya sure it has double the m10. just that the m10s traverse is 3.8 and the vk is 6. actually its less than double.
I didn’t say it’s the fastest, but you could count on one hand how many vehicles at its BR are faster.
It’s the most powerful gun at its BR, unless there’s some Russian TD I’m forgetting about.
It’s quite abit better than M4. Their UFP thickness may be similar. but VK 3002 has no gunport, no transmission weakspot, and a stronger turret.
That’s a pretty substantial increase.
Normally, a tank with the strongest cannon for its BR, isn’t also one of the fastest and best protected tanks aswell.