I’m a fairly experienced player in war thunder, I have nearly 600 hours but I still can’t find one nation to commit to and get to top tier, which is my goal. My most recent tech tree is the USSR. I always see people talking about Russian bias and that their tanks are OP, but I just don’t see that when I play them. I am only up until 6.7 with them however. Regarding their top tier MBTs, I’ve heard they are the best in game besides the Leopards, but why though? They have a very bad reverse speed, no gun depression, a pretty low penning round compared to other nations, a long reload and alright mobility. And I’ve heard people say their top tier planes are just not good and AIR RB at those Br’s are dominated by America. Russia is the biggest tech tree in game and before I commit to it, or any tech tree for that matter, I just wanna know if it’s worth it, I don’t wanna invest hours on hours for me to have a meh experience.
No, unless you play CAS, Russian top tier is not worth it. Everyone taking about Russian bias and OP top tier tanks is just coping. Go for Germany or Sweden if you like top tier, they have amazing vehicles.
If your goal is to “get to top tier”, then, no, Russia isn’t the best choice because like you said, it has one of the most dense trees that is full of same-same vehicles that have to be ground thru.
If you want to justgetthere easiest way is just to wallet whip it and buy a top tier premium and fill in the rest latter.
Second to that is pick the nation with the shortest path/fewest vehicles. Which would be China or Sweden.
Sweden’s low tier makes me wanna cry
But the top tier is very worth. In my opinion all trees besides USSR, USA, Germany, Great Britain and Israel worth the grind because most of them aren’t unnecessarily filled with vehicles top to bottom and yet offer unique gameplay for each tier and vehicle you play, taking Italy as example it’s one of the most diverse tech tree in-game if you exclude some vehicles in the Hungarian sub-tech tree.
unless you want to ruin top tier with CAS anywhere above 8.7 is not worthwhile
well what tech trees would you guys recommend then?
this is totally an unbiased recommendation but Britain.
The vehicles are different in many a way, better and quite often worse.
it will suck at times but you are forced into becoming a far better player by playing around issues such as non spalling solid shot or APDS made of glass.
worth giving a try, spitfires are incredibly good too btw
I heard they get pretty good after 7.0, atleast with ground anyway , and also, they have the country i was born in, South Africa. So I’ll give it a try, thanks for the help guys, I genuinely do appreciate it
Let’s start with tanks, T-90M and T80 have the best protection in the game, they also have difficulty penetrating the side because of the spall liner. If you look at the front sulhouette of top Soviet tanks, you will see few weak points, unlike Western ones that can penetrate anywhere.
Aviation is the best in terms of CAS, now it has been raised to 13.0 and queues for this BR take 5 minutes, because no one wants to play against imbalanced aviation with KH-38MT.
Top tier planes are good. Specially the Su-27s (dont go for the migs).
Top tier tanks. IDK I have had fun playing them. I’m up to the T-90A and T-80B. I like the T-80B because its juts the T-90 with slightly worse armor and has a slightly worst shell. But much faster forwards and reverse at 10.7. NATO tank players are drugged on speed and fast reload so they charge dick first in to situations. You have to be patient when playing russian tanks but also keep moving to make your weak spots even harder to hit.
But russia 7.0 to 8.7 will be a slog before you get the T-55AMD (which is now 9.0). I wouldn’t grind the TD line beyond the pancake tank obj 9xx something. light tanks are also good. BMP-3 can get you nukes and so can the obj. 685 but lights like the Spruts have to be played more conservatively since besides the M1128 you probably are the light tank with the slowest reload on the battlefield.
And all their AAs (except the 37-2) are good or great.
How’s Japan or Italy, are they any good?
Japan’s good, but the tech tree has br holes.
If you like top tier, then this is one of the best one to grind in my opinion. They got excellent autoloaders that are able to reload in 4 seconds. Hydropneumatic suspension that helps you adjust your guns elevation and depression. The mobility is one of the best; 70kph in both forward and reverse. The armor is not the best, only giving you about 560mm of armor in turret cheeks and upper part of LFP and on mantlet ~260mm, but it’s enough to let you absorb some weaker darts.
Then there’s the type 87 (c), it has 11km range, but you don’t have a search radar so you’ll have to rely on your eyes. And if you manage to lock the enemy, they can’t escape the missile.
And their air? At higher tiers I mean. I know their props are excellent turn fighters
as of right now Japan air does have competetive options, nothing that stands out tho. You get the best F15A,C and F16A in the game at the same br as their counter parts, you also get a copy paste gripen, hands off the F16 OCU that thing is by far the worst thing to even consider at 13.7. The thai air tree is amazing, you have the 2 best F5Es in the game and also a really fun alpha jet with all aspect missiles. The only thing Japan air lacks is a 14.0 but that should be solved soon. overall i’d strongly recommend japan, really good ground and air trees (also naval if thats your thing) they only really lack helis where you only get an apache which still gets the job done but i wouldnt recommend paying it any mind until way later
Thanks bro, I’m definitely maining Japan now
US - Amazing Vehicles and choice of vehicles though team mates that will rush and die just outside the enemy spawn.
GER - Amazing Vehicles and choice of vehicles though team mates will blind you with smoke when a round passes 300m away past them.
GB - Amazing Vehicles and choice of vehicles though you will notice that your reverse gear is almost as bad as USSR. Your team mates will think they are better and probably try and claim the enemy tank for a museum. A good flank run with a Rooikat will have its speed nerfed again with another 40kph.
USSR - Amazing Vehicles and choice of vehicles though rushing forward is your best tactic. Every kill you get will have someone shout some slur about bias.
ITA - Amazing Vehicles and choice of vehicles though you will find that the term glass cannon was taken to heart. You have developed a brain and somewhat hates yourself for it.
JP- Amazing Vehicles and choice of vehicles. Same as ITA but Japanese.
CN - Amazing Vehicles and choice of vehicles. Similar to USSR but slightly better.
FR - Amazing Vehicles and choice of vehicles but you will also have this daunting feeling that the devs hate you as a individual - not true though.
SWE - Amazing Vehicles and choice of vehicles. They like destroying armor, looked at how Germany did it and decided to do it better.
IL - Amazing Vehicles and choice of vehicles though someone will probably TK you. No idea who it is but rumor has it that it is a content creator.
All in all and all jokes aside - MOST of the game is pretty balanced except for a few things. Ultimately every nation has a play style and player preference, every player will almost always report with a biased opinion. Play around with it, see what you like and then go for it. NB - try and play them all and just enjoy the game.
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Theres some pretty cool SA vehicles. Id say the highlights of the SA tree is the Eland 90 as its a slightly slower worse armoured fox with a powerful HEAT shot,
Olifant mk1 as its a centurion but faster and better gun laying
and the Ratel 20 as its 6.7 with a MILAN missile launcher. the Ratel 20 is disgustingly OP I’ve been abusing the hell out of it for the last week to hopefully boost its rating to bump it up in BR for fairness.
SA also saved the brit tree with the gripen C for a while, however darter missiles are worse than aim 9m
Because the aren’t. It is a myth…
ALL NATIONS have good and bad tanks. Russia has some good ones, but it is not the best tree IMHO as it has a lot tanks that require “specific” playing style. IS and SU series make many of them and all have slow reloads and bad depression…so you need to be aware of your terrain and surroundings. T34s and other mediums are good, but not all of them…
Above avearge tanks in Russia up to BR7 are T80 (the WW2 version), KV1, T34(42), Zis5…other than that they are good but not “above average”.
I find Germany much easier to play.,…not because the tanks are better…but because they are more “user friendly”…stock ammo is good, depression is good, armor is usually ok…etc…i find the “average” german tank to be better balanced and therefore requires less “getting used to”.
US also a bit like this…but more US tanks are more skewed towards armor (and bad gun) or gun (and bad armor).
I dont do necessarily better with germany…i just need to plan a lot less…
ALL NATIONS have very good tanks and some bad tanks…
Hey, French player there. So France is actually a cool nation to go down with. You will hear that low tiers are bad in France and that’s actually true. Once you get through the low tiers you will meet some french constructions with amazing autoloaders and I really mean that. I had so much fun playing them but they require specific playstyle tho. I am currently at AMX-32 and I really like it so far. I think that later on with the leopards it is going to get even better. So like I said, it’s a cool nation to go down with, air is also very good, I have Rafale and it’s amazing to play.
I was searching for a second nation tho, I love mobile tanks that are fast, able to effeciently flank, and they have good guns that are able to destroy enemies. Additionally, also a nation that has a good air tree. I was wondering if I should head for Italy or Japan as my second tree. Does anyone can tell me which one would suit my playstyle better?