Is it time to revert the AIM-120 fin AOA nerf?

Where would you happen to find such a library? Every military library i know of is on base so it’s only accessible as a service member or related family.

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Fun fact, if you’re an American these military libraries do interlibrary loans and can deliver these materials to your local library for free for you to pick them up so it’s just a matter of going to these libraries online catalog and sifting through the materials, ideally by filtering the organizations/authors which significantly narrows down what materials you specifically want to look at.

Let’s look at this for example:

You can see here that this library, the US Naval Academy Library has a book available that was published by NATO and is regarding small rocket motors for missiles that are launched by land, sea, and air, and is loanable.

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This one didn’t interest me but might interest others. This is looking at Russian ramjets that has been in development or under research at the latest of 1993 and was published by NATO:

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So ideally you’d like to look at books that are:

  • Loanable
  • Can be found on online catalogs
  • Published by NATO or other US government organizations
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I appreciate the answer, I was about to make another trip to wright patterson.

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iirc theres literally a picture of australian airforce launching a n aim120c5 and you can literally see its fins going like 30-40 degrees of aoa

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gajins genuine response to any aim120 buff

No Meme GIFs | Tenor

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it will never happens that other nations than ussr are stronger, and the only sources for bug reports at Western technology are OFFICIAL Repair manuals or operation manuals.

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And even those get ignored, see the stinger getting a 13g overload despite manuals stating it’s close to 20Gs.

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Current aim120c-5 v.s. how the aim120c-5 should function. R77-1 for reference.
Still can’t pull as well as r77-1 but much more usable at close range.

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Yes, but there are no official sources, and even if there were, data from the manufacturers is considered unreliable. See F-18 engine: Community Bug Reporting System

bold of you to assume gaijin cares

Why do they disrespect us with this crap? The ranges are already enough of a nerf in the first place.

Yes, but there are no official sources, and even if there were, data from the manufacturers is considered unreliable. See F-18 engine: Community Bug Reporting System

the data for the f18 are official

while I do agree that aim 120 should get more fin aoa, gaijin doesn’t accept video sources and that’s a good stance. And 30 degree fin aoa is ridiculous

But gl getting documents on it

except there is video proof that it is possible

furthermore there is the earlier video where the fins seemed to stop at 15 degrees, which proves that at some point between the AIM-120C (original C not C5) and AIM-120D the fin AoA was doubled, and this change is not represented in game in any way, while it should be

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Not saying it’s impossible but seems too good to be true relative to other missiles that are in game. As it would take to literally having the most fin aoa in the game for any missile

(Definitely do think 15 degrees is ridiculously low though)

Like does that mean every single missile in game is underperforming in fin aoa?

Would rather see actual documentation for stuff like this as calculating aoa from video footage is kinda iffy imo.

its not really, because if you look at the trailing edge of the fin, and its position relative to the motor exhaust (it easy to measure in terms of fractions of missile diameter which is known)

and then compare that to the known fin sizes and points of rotation, it is pretty easy to calculate angle with basic trig

the only iffy thing is the video frame rate, except it is impossible for that to give an overestimate, only an underestimate

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Balance only exists when USSR doesn’t have an equivalent.

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After looking at the fin aoa values myself, i honestly think this is the case. It’s just odd. For example the aam4 can pull much harder than 120 due to the lack of the guidance delay and the fact that it can pull 20deg of fin aoa, despite being a bigger and heavier missile than the 120.

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Thats not even including the lower drag the aim120 should have on both its fin drag and body drag. which could help it turn better