its much more favourable damage model is 6.7 worthy yes.
if the wonkyness of IS tanks was cleaned up they would be 6.3
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Yes. They fix the armor properly and remove the post-war shell and they can be downtiered accordingly.
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I don’t see any reason for them to be 6.7 and 6.3 with such exploitable weakspots and such long reloads.
I’d put the '44 at 6.3, and the regular one at 6.0.
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Yeah it’s odd. The Tiger E fires overpressure APHE at more than twice the RoF.
Don’t see a reason for the IS-2 to be 6.3.
The mod 1944 is also rather weak for 6.7.
But it currently has incorrect LFP armor, which makes it more survivable against some lower BR guns.
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the tigers armour at 6.0 is about as structurally sound as soggy cardboard. the IS can shrug off 7.7 shells from how favourably janky the DM is
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Both the B and “D” rounds:
They also need to correct its armor protection to realistic values rather than whatever fantasy that is currently in the game:
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A angled Tiger has more armor than the IS-2.
You can hardy angle the IS-2 and it has both a weaker turret front as well as an easy one shot cupola.
a tiger is a box, angled to have optimal armour is only in a very special circumstance, the IS2 has that armour angle and thickness (with favourable damage models compared to most) all the time.
The turret cheeks damage model is extremely wonky to the point I’ve had L23 APFSDS non pen on the flatter parts of it.
this goes for almost every tank in game and is a low skill exploit from the overperformance of APHE.
Id mostly be on the side of it going lower if the damage models pot luck to if your shell does anything was cleaned up to be as consistent as other vehicles
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The armor difference between the Tiger E and the IS-2 is marginal.
The Tiger has more armor on the mantlet that covers the entire turret front, the IS-2 has overall more armor, yet the lower plate and turret front are always an easy target for practically any gun at 5.0 and above.
And to encounter a Tiger with the front not directly pointed at you would be the special circumstance.
You have to be basically blind to run into an enemy directly from the front.
That still doesn’t address the much better firepower of the Tiger, due to having much better RoF.
The only advantage of the IS-2 is armor penetration of the gun, which allows it to take out higher BR tanks more easily but at higher BR the armor also means less, so it becomes a glorified tank destroyer.
The only reason the IS-2s went up in BR is probably that 6.0 always got into 6.7 battles, where the IS-2 had the advantage in killing 6.7 heavy tanks.
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somebody doesn’t play that BR often or has any map knowledge
so it handles 6.7 tanks perfectly fine and you agree. nice end to the discussion
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id say Tiger E armor is weak at 6.0 you can never perfectly angle cause any tank with 150mm of pen will pen Even angle now that they removed volumetric on turret its a weak spot around the barrel
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peak angle your armor is 120mm on lower side above tracks front plate hits maximum thickness of 140mm
so every 76 sherman every T34-85 can pen you , tiger E does not desreve BR of 6.0 should go back to 5.7 But no cause everyone complained it had to get raised germany always gets overtiered
Problem is, Realism, Best tank in WW2 but worse tank in War thunder, The IS-2 had a Number ratio towards tigers of 2.5-1 and the main reason of it greatest weakness is because it took part in longer range tank fights which Projectile mass was key, Problem is in War thunder theres no such as Long range tank engagements and if there are, There just Tank destroyer fights, The main reason it isn’t down is the oppisite reason why the long barreled panzer IV is higher, Skill issue, We can all agree here that the Everage IS-2 user is smarter then the King tiger user, Also did you know in emergencies the reload man could up the rate of fire to 3-4? (per minute)
No, I just said it handles uptiers better in terms of fighting 6.7 vehicles.
That doesn’t mean it’s automatically better.
You have to be mental to think that a tank with a 20.8 second reload is going to have as much of an impact as a tank with 7.4s that can penetrate 80% of the same targets with ease.
The Tigers weakspot is just a 40cm tall flat plate on the front compared to double the size of the IS-2s lower plate.
Good luck hitting that from 500m and more.
Any tank can penetrate an IS-2 turret from the front and kill the tank in one shot, while you need a US 90mm to even be able to penetrate the Tigers mantlet reliably.
The Tiger E is simply a better vehicle at 6.0 than the IS-2 is at 6.3.
And at 6.0 both have equal strengths and weaknesses.
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i wouldnt say that tiger E could easily be 5.7
Well, after P2W Tiger with extra track armor have been added at the same or lower BR, it sure feels like it.
Yet in downtiers the Tiger is crazy effective against anything from 4.7-5.7.
pretty much every 5.7 can kill you cannot perfectly angle
Wow, what an argument. Did you know that the IS-1 is 5.7 and anyone can also kill it?
A 4.7 T14 can one shot it through the cupola.
I would like to see how a US 76mm is going to pen a Tiger E that is just angled 33° anywhere from the front or a T-34-85 when the Tiger is hull down.
And who can kill you doesn’t matter when you are both harder to kill and it’s easier for you to kill the enemy.
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At 300Ms you can shoot corner of the armor and go through its hard but 76 can do it you also get a stablizer giving you first shot cability and highly dont youll ever get perfect 33 degree angle just by eye alone its even easier for 85mms as they have amazing angle performance