Comparing a Panstir to an IRIS-T system. One has 16 fire and forget missiles and you want to add a Skyranger…
It is not the same thing Pantsir used to be the big dog but now it gets walked by the IRIS-T SLM.
Not sure what are you sayng that radar information sharing does not exist ? Or central target allocation does not exist for the modern air defense assets ?
what i’m saying is that it doesnt need to be controllable from an external point to be ‘integrated’
If they are still just a TV guided missile with 6km of TRACK lock range without IOG I doubt they deserve to be put in the same sentence with Kh-38 and Hammers.
Ok, so how is it relevant for swapping one missile carrier in the system for short range gun system ?
On is rather compact all in one solution mounted on singel truck. Other is multitruck (three) truck system with significant minimal range deadzone.
So swapping half of its long range capability for short range protection seems fair.
Iaw statshark S1 is on pair/bit better then SLM
seeing this made me so sad. if only the CS/SA5 got this kind of attention…
The Chinese community is one of the strongest on WT, and you guys did get the DL and Proxy Round on it, yes the DL is bugged but at least they’re trying.
Maybe you could do it like that, swap a launcher for a fixed Skyranger emplacement.
Issue then arises how do you control it? Is it controlled by the game? does it act like an APS system?
Will it target anything that enters it’s area? How do you make it prioritise? What ammo can or will it have?
How much ammo? The risk is it will operate like AA in Naval and just hit scan anything that flies.
If it’s a mobile system whats to stop a SAM player having the best of both worlds a light weight fast IFV with great fire power and a SAM system.
Statshark…ok Pantsir is older, more players play as Russia than Germany.
Gaijin is really just making up assumptions about Chinese vehicles. The CS/SA5 is a bit better now but it is still an extremely mid vehicle. On the Russian dev stream they said that it would be a pantsir-level threat. How ironic
They make assumptions about everything, not like there’s documents on these new vehicles and even if there were a lot of the time they do things wrong for “balance”, example is adding LDIRCM but no LDIRCCM.
If you guys haven’t already you should make a CS/SA5 thread and collect sources there,(there probably is one in Chinese already) for example a lot of people are saying the search radar should have NCTR but from all bug reports i’ve seen it’s just assumptions with no sources which won’t get accepted.
On par in terms of what ?
in game?
you must be looking at a very different statshark than the one I’m looking at, because the July stats paint a very very different picture.
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Simple implementation of directly controlled vehicle with posiibility to bring global radar screen a fire missiles from SLM. Does not need to be automatic.
Does not need to be the Boxer version:
@_Renzo we surely are, mine are not skewed by mixed nations MM.
It is still a bit early but nothing indicates that SLM would be any mayjor gamechanger. Noticable change Russian WR dropped form 60% to 55%:
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I know where the difference comes from. You are looking at SB stats while I’m looking at RB stats, because the SLM is quite a bit better in RB:
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july 2025 stats
Although I will admit that the Pantsir stats are really low. It has worse stats than the Spyder for example while that thing is infinitely more frustrating to play than the Pantsir.
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I know…
SIM stats are IMO pure SLM performance against KH-38 spam and S1 performance against AGM-65, Hammers etc…
So I would say they are more or less on pair. It will be interesting to see how the stats develop once the Russian pilot learns to exploit SLM weaknesess.
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I wouldn’t trade a launcher for a Skynex or Skyranger anyway, the integration would be fiddly like everything Gajiin does.
The minimum range on the SLM is 1km stated and in game 0.7km against a drone, and 2-3km against an oncoming jet, it literally doesn’t get better than that.
The upcoming BukM3 and Aster 30 have a 3km stated minimum which would be quite a lot worse and idk about the Aster30 considering it has TVC even in the main booster but i think the BukM3 would be a lot worse because it has no TVC coupled with the 24G overload which indicates it won’t have good agility at low speeds, but we’ll have to see.
Use July, not Global stat.
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BUK M3 will need multipathing changed or it will just be useless. Look at how poor SLARAM are with only the 9X being of use.
Changing multipath would transform ARH gameplay too much and the BukM3 has a pretty big 60kg warhead and could splash targets akin to the AIM-54.
The Aster 30 would suffer way more because of MP, the warhead is 15kg.