“no see it can burn a penny from like 1 yard away”
Tell me you know nothing about how directed energy works in 5 seconds.
I did say:
I just assumed that i didn’t have to go into a deep dive on physics in a short post.
Except that you are still demonstrating your lack of understanding on the subject. The aiming of the device is actually the easy part, though you could argue the precision required past that to target the seeker takes it to another level.
You are completely ignoring the physical properties of lasers and directed energy as a whole in that it must be orders of magnitude stronger to achieve similar results at range.
Burning a penny at ~1 yard means nothing in comparison to guaranteed defeating a missile at 200+ and 500+ yards as it currently exists with their implementation on the dev server.
Edit: LMAO soft
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im not sure if this was already posted but doesnt it state in here https://web.archive.org/web/20171208193719/http://www.diehl.com:80/fileadmin/diehl-defence/user_upload/flyer/GBAD_Flyer_e_2017.pdf that it is imune agasint direct laser counter messure?
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First of, language.
Again, i was countering your point of it being possible to put on a helicopter, which you could easily do in terms of size and power when you look at current systems and their capabilities, if your aiming just to be able to destroy the seeker/glass of an IIR AAM you need less power than to be able to burn a hole clean through a mortar round for example.
The hard part would still be aiming as all other current systems of that kind are either stationary or on large ships. The vibrations and other movements of a helicopter is going to make aiming way harder for a beam of sufficient concentration and to be precise enough to hit that smal of a target.
I’m not ignoring this at all. Only the actually laser module needs to be on the outside, the rest of the system could be in the main body of a helicopter. Perhaps not the smaller helicopters but no real problem to fit in the medium sized ones (you wont be able to fit much else though). There are already anti drone lasers that fit on smal buggies:
You could easily fit something thrice that size in the back of a Blackhawk.
Yes, but laser IR defence is just to confuse the missiles seeker (like blinding it with a flashlight), we’re discussing something with power enough so that the laser would burn the missiles seeker. :P
sorry missunderstood then
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Don’t care, never have, next
Except that is not the case. With a mortar round, you only need to pierce an already frangible case and detonate the already sensitive explosive behind it.
An IIR you must damage the seeker through any number of optical coatings and in enough area of it to induce a guidance error.
Put that exact system in the back of a Blackhawk (a larger helicopter than most Attack helicopters) and you now have Blackhawk with a low power directed energy weapon and no space for anything else. And it is going to handle like a boat.
You’re not putting that on an already cramped attack helicopter
to stay a bit ontopic here. can anyone tell me if this would be an “acceptable” source of any kind ?
It does, still hoping we’ll get the look-back scan too.
probably not
it would be better if you ask a tech mod
i also found this Caderno de Ensino - Dados Médios de Planejamento Escolar (DAMEPLAN) (CE 5.80), 1ª Edição, 2025 : Departamento de Educação e Cultura do Exército (DECEx) : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive claiming to have a range of 60km against an aproaching target (with speed of the target but sadly not the missile)
How you came to the conclusion that a mortar that needs to hold up to an explosion to be fired is frangible i do not understand…
You’re not going to need a laser with this much power:
To damage an anti air missile enough to defeat it.
Or just damage the glas in front of the seeker enough so that it can no longer see.
Yes? that was not part of the original argument. You said you couldn’t, i said you can. i never said it would be practical or even worth the effort, i just said that you can.
This is however off topic now, if you want to continue this then please do so in PM’s.
it isnt a proper source either bc it uses estimations
he likes changing the argument when he starts loosing it, had that happen before
Dude literally DIRCMs are on attack helicopters today for example they exist on the AH-64E Apache look it up
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Yes indeed my bad i thought you were referring to them not being on Attack Helicopters. But you are correct they are however not reliable enough or powerful enough to defeat more modern IIRs.