tbh 38mt is the only thing keeping them in check rlly
and the garbage modelling of NATO tank
otherwise they would just be as bad as US
I saw this on reddit. Not sure how accurate it is.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Warthunder/comments/1laior9/russian_bias_is_real_even_the_data_speaks_for/
If it’s accurate, the words I want to say about it would no doubt lead to a forum ban.
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its real
gszabi post it i think
the speed past 10km is diabolical
Incorrect.
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Yeah.
It really puts the but the pantsir isn’t even that good comments into perspective.
it was posted in here before
Ah, didn’t realise. This can be quite a fast moving thread, lol.
At this point stinger is just straight up better than SLM. Small, extremely mobile, effective range 5km is same. I wonder why gaijin even bothers to add SLM? So much work for nothing.
Also as side note, does gaijin wonder why SLM exists if it’s worse than stingers?
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Yeah, I don’t see a point in these gigantic, multi vehicle AA systems, if the Ozelot is just going to be better… You’re not a giant target, your missiles have about the same performance, less range, sure, but it’s not like the SLM will hit anything beyond the Stinger’s range. The Humvee, Elde 98 and Chinese one might be somewhat useable of all the new SPAAs, considering they’re not the size of a small apartment and have the same or similar missiles as the big anti air systems.
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I think they’re playing Su-30/34 right now and not thinking anything.
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you see russian players really struggle against the flakrad and ito despite the meganerfs to the VT1 a couple years ago.
NATO players moving to bigger and weaker vehicles will ensure that the protagonists can launch their 16 kh38 per game, flying straight the entire time just like they do on the ground
lol he was in the KH38MT thread as well trying to justify it being in the game pretty much, which is why i stopped responding to him
Russian mains will try to justify anything that benefits that significantly
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I know right！！
They keep telling the drag on 77 or 77-1 is too high but they keep forgetting the grid design at the back will introduce larger surface area thats why drag on it should be high！！
I hate them
I get the frustration, but rejoicing in the underperformance of the vehicles they enjoy and employing rhetoric such as “I hate them” isn’t exactly how we will be be able to meet in the middle and make the game better for everyone.
At the end of the day they are playing the game just like you or me, and in most cases they are not trying to be vindictive but rather have only their struggles with Russian vehicles to go off of just like you likely have your struggles with the vehicles you chose to play.
Trust me, part of me wants every nation but Russia to get a 40km death sphere spaa and then let Russia ground stew in obscurity for 2 years like other nations had to when the Pantsir got added.
If it was wrong for Gaijin to let Russia have complete spaa dominance for 2 years then we must advocate for Russia to keep parity in the anti-CAS department as well.
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Sorry when did I justify it being in game? I remember only pointing out how MT doesn’t benefit from GNSS and showing the bug report that added it
Or do you mean the other Kh-38 thread where I pointed out it and the hammer should receive the same nerf?
Weird how your tone suddenly changed when Gunjob started talking no?
I see your point, totally
But gaijin wont let it happen
artificial nerf will just keep happening
My tone? I said the same thing to Gunjob that I said to you, “able to put pressure on anything that comes within range to where it is more difficult to get weapons off”.
I think you are mistaking “effective range” to mean your missile should be a guaranteed kill. If I am aware of the Pantsir, I can dodge them from 2km, 5km, 8km, you name it. Does that mean that Pantsir becomes ineffective at those distances? Absolutely not. The fact that you still have to make aggressive evasive maneuvers past the “effective range of 12-13km” that you stated means that it is effective past those ranges.
I even told Gunjob that any Pantsir that dies to a single Jdam or any “single” munition is merely not using the vehicle to it’s fullest because I typically have to launch no less than 6 of any type of munition for even a chance of killing a Pantsir that knows what they are doing. All this while still having to remain wary even at long ranges because the missile still has speed and some maneuverability behind it.
If you are taking issue with my tone specifically then it probably stems from distrusting the fact that the first thing you said to me on this thread was that the new spaa’s are still going to be better than the Pantsir when going subsonic by 12km.
The new SPAAs are not currently better than the Pantsir and it seems that at every turn you are attempting to gaslight people that the SPAAs are fine where they are at because the Pantsir already has similar ranges. Then I found that you have played almost exclusively Russia top tier with only fairly recent purchase of the Leo PzBT to test the waters of Germany and it just feels like you are trying to go against what this thread is for.
Correct me if I am wrong but I have explained myself fully to you.
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