IRIS-T SLM 4km Missile Seeker Change

No? I mean, Germ top tier is dead in the water. SLM was the only good thing about it, but since it has been butchered there is no reason to use it.

UHT players? All gone, I played like 200 battles this week and I didn’t see another UHT besides myself. It takes like 10 seconds to get shot out of the sky, the moment a Mi-28 or Z-10 is up you are dead, and there is nothing you can do about it.

Eurofighter? Same history, it’s just as dead in GRB as the UHT. Nobody is actually flying these aircraft in the new SAM meta. You see more F-18C’s than the actual EF, laser guided anything in top tier is just insanely hard now.

You only get the 2A7 for an armored tank, the PSO/2A6/2A5 might as well be all 12.0/11.7, playing them puts you at a massive disadvantage with their dogwater thermals and armor. And your only viable light tank is the PUMA VFJT, yeah, good luck having fun with a lineup like that.

There is just nothing going for it, you are better off playing Italy or Sweden. You can work around the flaws of it but it’s honestly extremely underwhelming at times.

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Idk about that one. Sweden has a deeper Leo lineup and a better light tank but they struggle even more in the CAS and SPAA departments. And Italy is basically Germany but with worse backups after the 2A7, slightly worse CAS and a better light tank

Or just play France, they get Leopards by proxy with the Dutch, decent light vehicles, good MBTs, top helis and Rafale being the cherry on top.

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Oh yeah once the French get the 2A8 via the dutch itll just be a straight upgrade over the german tree in every regard

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All top tier German tanks are quite strong, and the 2a7 is straight up op

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wdym? Italy has a better 2a7, a better euro fighter, arguably a better spaa, better light tanks, similar helis, and besides the 2a7 i would say the arietes are comparable to leo2a6 and 2a5

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No? Italy has straight up better cas and the arietes are arguably better then the Leo2a6/5 as they have better optics, a way faster reload with the same gun.
2a6/5 just don´t have any armor as well, except for the turret cheeks, which is no use if every mbt can pen ur ufp anyways

I totally agree with @ItsOnyy here

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Debatable, the mg is nice but it’s also quite tall and a HE magnet.

That’s not true Germany at the very least has access to FnF via the F18 Italy only gets that on the Gripen

Hard disagree the arietes armor in combination with the insanely dumb ammo placement is so bad not even the better optics and reload can save that

And? very little amount of players actually load HE, and if they do its an easy kill on both

The difference between the two is that the F-18 can carry more GBU´s (which are not FnF) while the Grippen has a better flight model and GBU-39s… so i would say the Grippen is superior

Edit: the F18 can carry 2 fox 3s while doing cas but i still find the gripen superior

The leos also have no armor… The only armored part of the Leo2a5/6 is the Turret cheeks which is not that huge

While i would 100% play France over Germany, the Heli is the same flying target as the UHT, because it doesn’t get LDIRCM.

How is Italy Eurofighter better ?

Every euro fighter except the German one has IRST and a LWS

But WAY better cas with the Rafael. and if u want the best heli, just play China

Really i actually see quite a bit of HE now since its great to deal with the new SPAA but i think its not that clear which 2A7 is better

Up to 2 more Amraams and a better radar is hard to beat tho. I dont think the Gripens FM is good enough to justify that.

The Arietes have even less tho, you can lolpen the arietes turret cheek with and the real kick in the balls is the ammo placement in the center of the hull so every pen blows you to heaven.

At the end its subjective but i think the fact that we discuss whether the F18 or the gripen is the better CAS shows quite well where both trees stand

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Your argument was that the F-18 is better because it has FnF munition of which the Gripen has better once. Sure it is not that great at CAP but with a decent team you should not need to deal with that

By that argument the Japanese tanks are also bad…

No the argument was that both have it but i think the F18 is better, because the gripen has to sacrifice too much to be a CAS platform

Well i mean armor is certainly no argument in favor of the Japanese tanks but they get an excellent autoloader and more importantly have no ammo in the crew compartment.

IRST which no one outside maybe sim uses, cool.
And LWS is a gimmick no one needs on a plane too.

I agree.

LWS is really good. the ammount of german EF players i see getting killed by Vhkirs is crazy
also IRST is really usefull for locking hovering helis or tracking jets in grb while not giving them a crazy lock warning

If you shoot from the front through the turret cheek a ammo hit will kill the crew

So do the french and the Italian have a good reload too

Sure but the Ariete is quite similar in that regard with the added fun of the ammo in the hull

the japanese get 4 secs base reload the leclerc 5, the ariete is 6.5 base and 5 aced. Thats really not a good tradeoff for the negatives of the Ariete

I agree but still worlds better then the LEO

I dont think were gonna agree here.

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Lets agree to disagree

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