Iran as an Italian sub-tree

A Historical and Strategic Justification for Iran’s Inclusion in War Thunder’s Italian Tech Tree

War Thunder’s approach to nation-based tech trees is rooted in historical, military, and diplomatic connections. As the game has evolved, subtrees have been added to fill out nations that would otherwise lack diversity in their vehicles, such as Hungary under Italy and South Africa under Britain. The addition of Iran to the Italian tech tree follows this logic, given their extensive historical economic, military, and diplomatic relations that set Italy apart as Iran’s most consistent Western partner.

While some may argue that Iran’s military history is more aligned with Russia, this claim lacks merit given that Russia’s tech tree does not require additional vehicles. The Soviet Union and later Russia were able to produce a complete indigenous lineup of vehicles at every technological stage, making foreign additions unnecessary for balance. In contrast, Italy has notable gaps, particularly in modern aviation and armored vehicle lineups, which could be filled by Iranian equipment. The historical economic and military exchanges between Italy and Iran, along with their strong diplomatic ties, justify Iran’s place in Italy’s tree far more than any other major nation in the game.

Historical Ties Between Iran and Italy

Early 20th Century: The Foundations of Cooperation

Italy and Iran’s modern relationship dates back to the early 1900s. During Iran’s Constitutional Revolution (1905-1911), Italian institutions provided refuge to Iranian intellectuals who were modernists seeking engagement with the West. This marked one of the first indications that Iran viewed Italy as a reliable European partner, even during periods of domestic turmoil.

In 1950, Italy and Iran formalized this bond with a Friendship Agreement, strengthening diplomatic and trade relations. The relationship deepened further in 1957 when Italy’s state-run energy giant ENI negotiated a groundbreaking oil agreement with Iran, creating the Società Irano-Italienne des Pétroles (SIRIP), which ensured Iran held a 75% share of its oil profits. This deal was revolutionary, as it gave Iran more control over its resources than was common under traditional Western oil agreements.

By 1977, Italian President Giovanni Leone traveled to Tehran with a high-ranking political and economic delegation, reinforcing Italy’s commitment to Iran as a strategic economic and trade partner. However, this period of high engagement was briefly disrupted by the 1979 Iranian Revolution.

Italy’s Unique Role After the Islamic Revolution

While many Western nations distanced themselves from Iran after the 1979 Islamic Revolution, Italy remained engaged. Unlike the United States, the UK, and France—who actively supported Iraq during the Iran-Iraq War (1980-1988)—Italy maintained a more neutral stance. While Italy did engage in trade with Iraq, it did not supply arms at the same level as other Western nations. This neutrality allowed Italy to maintain diplomatic relations with Iran, making it one of the few Western nations that did not sever ties despite geopolitical tensions.

By 1999, Iranian President Mohammad Khatami made an official visit to Rome, emphasizing Iran’s interest in rekindling economic and diplomatic relations with Italy. Italy reciprocated, becoming Iran’s top trade partner in the European Union, a status it held for much of the early 2000s.

Economic & Military Cooperation in the 21st Century

Economic Ties: A Proven Track Record

Italy was Iran’s third-largest trading partner in 2005, accounting for 7.5% of all exports to Iran. Even as sanctions reduced trade with Iran, Italy continued low-level diplomatic engagements and was one of the strongest European advocates for renewed nuclear negotiations. Italian diplomat Federica Mogherini, later the EU High Representative for Foreign Affairs, played a key role in securing the 2015 Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA), known as the Iran Nuclear Deal.

This diplomatic effort resulted in Italy becoming the first Western nation Rouhani visited post-JCPOA, where the two nations signed €20-30 billion worth of trade agreements spanning infrastructure, energy, and industrial development.

Military Cooperation & Equipment Transfers

Beyond economic cooperation, Italy played a role in Iran’s military development, a key reason why Iran belongs in the Italian tech tree rather than Russia’s.

Iran has operated multiple Italian-produced military assets, including:
• Agusta-Bell AB 205 and AB 212 helicopters – Extensively used by the Iranian military.
• OTO Melara artillery systems – Showcasing direct military-industrial exchange.
• Naval systems – Co-developed between the two nations before the 1979 Revolution.

While Italian military exports to Iran ceased after 1979, these Italian-origin military assets provide direct justification for Iran’s inclusion in Italy’s tech tree.

Why Iran Does Not Belong in the Soviet/Russian Tech Tree

Some may argue that Iran should be placed within the Russian tech tree due to its procurement of Soviet and later Russian vehicles. However, this argument is fundamentally flawed because:

  1. Russia’s Tech Tree Has No Gaps That Require Foreign Additions
    • Unlike Italy, Russia has no need for additional subtrees. The Soviet Union and Russia have produced an uninterrupted and fully capable domestic military-industrial complex.
    • Every major aircraft, tank, and vehicle class is covered by native Soviet/Russian designs, making foreign additions unnecessary for gameplay balance.

  2. War Thunder Prioritizes Subtree Additions for Nations That Lack Depth
    • South Africa was added to Britain’s tree because Britain lacks post-war indigenous armored vehicle options.
    • Hungary was added to Italy’s tree because Italy lacks a modern tank lineup.
    • By the same logic, Iran should be added to Italy’s tree, as Iran’s vehicle lineup fills gaps Italy currently has in War Thunder, particularly in modern aviation and armor.

  3. Iran’s Relationship with Russia Was Not Consistently Strong
    • Iran and Russia were historically adversaries, with multiple wars between the Persian and Russian Empires.
    • The Soviet Union invaded Iran in 1941, an event that left deep distrust between the two nations.
    • Iran was never a Warsaw Pact member, unlike many nations integrated into Russia’s tech tree.

While Iran did purchase Soviet and later Russian vehicles post-1979, its relationship with Russia was more transactional rather than one of deep military alignment.

How Iran Enhances the Italian Tech Tree

Italy’s modern aviation and armored vehicle lineup in War Thunder is incomplete, particularly at top tier. Adding Iran as a subtree would allow Italy to receive:

  1. Advanced Jet Fighters
    • F-14A Tomcat (IRIAF) – Iran is the only foreign operator of the F-14.
    • MiG-29 (Iranian Variant) – Fills Italy’s modern fighter jet gap.
    • Su-24 (Iranian Variant) – A viable top-tier strike aircraft for Italy.

  2. Modern Armored Vehicles
    • Zulfiqar series (Iranian MBTs) – Based on American and Soviet tank technology, bridging gaps in Italy’s modern lineup.
    • T-72S (Iranian Variant) – A domestic Iranian upgrade of the T-72, filling Italy’s modern MBT gap.

  3. Helicopters & Naval Enhancements
    • Agusta-Bell helicopters (historically supplied by Italy to Iran).
    • Iranian-modified naval systems, strengthening Italy’s Bluewater fleet.

Conclusion

The case for Iran in War Thunder’s Italian tech tree is clear:
• Iran and Italy have a long history of trade, military, and diplomatic cooperation.
• Iran has operated Italian-made military hardware, unlike Russia, which only sold equipment post-1979.
• Russia does not need a subtree, while Italy’s tech tree benefits from modern Iranian vehicles.

By following Gaijin’s established logic for subtrees, adding Iran under Italy enhances gameplay balance, tech tree diversity, and historical accuracy. Given the depth of Italy-Iran relations, Iran’s addition to Italy is the best choice for War Thunder’s future content expansion.

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and so whats the commanality again? literally every country in the world has some ties with each other, I dont think huey (not even italian by the way, just licensed production) and artillery systems are justifications

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This looks like a horrible proposal and like it was written by AI. Not a good look. Romania would be a better sub.

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for sure, close geographically and in military history

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Iranian equipment should go to which country’s equipment it was based on/copied, so China, Russia and USA. They have very little unique vehicles for them to deserve a sub tree

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This is confunsing, while most used or formely used Iranian equipment dates from Soviet equipments, why it won’t should be a Soviet sub-tech tree, despite, Iran has a lot of things to offer, but I’m in favor of Slovakia as a possible sub-tech tree to the USSR tech tree. Italy is likely to recieve a lot of few eastern european countries, which is mostly, to actual historical ties to them or simply due to joint military development.

did you write this in chatGPT?

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Romania already is an italian subTT

It’s not, Italy is a home for minor axis nations but that doesn’t make Romania a subtree, just that Romanian vehicles added will likely go to Italy.

+1 (I’m an italy main feed me more subtrees)

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Both Hungary and Romania are considered italian subtrees

Being housed in does not mean it is a subtree. A subtree means any vehicles of that nation which are added will go to the home nation. Being housed means any vehicles of that nation which are added will likely go to the home nation unless there is reason for exception.

All the romanian vehicles are going to be added there, it’s not likely, it’s confirmed.
The only one that isn’t being brought over is the premium helicopter and we already asked why this is the case.
And this is the same case of the Indian vehicles inside the UK TT, small additions.
But if you want to still believe otherwise, feel free to.

Absolutely not

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This is not how host nations work. India is a subtree of Britain as well so weird comparison.

I believe Iran could play a role in the game but i would rather see it as a combination of Middle east nations put together and named “MEC” (Middle East Coalition) or have Iran as a sub tree for Russia. I dont see why it should be a sub tree in Italy since this reason you mention is too vague. A true Spanish sub tree with the current hungary vehicles as a sub tree for Italy would be better and make more sense, if you want to fill in some gaps (Even if to some extent Spain perhaps could stand by its own). Maybe even put Turkey in as a sub tree for Italy, that would probably make more sense than Iran (Personaly i would have Turkey as a standalone nation tho).

I would have tried to argue for a “MEC” nation instead with Iran as its baseline.

Your word againts Smin’s.
Keep thinking what you want.

I don’t think theres a difference between a subtree and “being housed within” a nation, for something to be a subtree it doesn’t have to necessarily be a continuous line of vehicles, it can be just a few vehicles dotted around a nations tech tree

(also there is a romanian helicopter in the french tree, but that was added before subtrees were even a thought inside gaijins head)

Please pull out the quotes which disprove what I have said. There are none.

Haha, no