And what alot Chinese players don’t seem to realize that the Chinese tree isn’t special in being shafted by gaijin when it comes tovehicles/implementation.
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really? if Japan tree equals to CN tree
Then why CN M60A3 TTS suffers with only M735 in 9.0, but all of a sudden, when Japan M60A3TTS was introduced in this major update, all of a sudden, they realized the unbalanced situation, and give both CN ones and Japan ones DM33 with more pen?
Then why in that F14 Danger Zone update, CN J-8II have to fight with F14, given the fact that F14A being BR 12.7 while J-8II being BR 11.3 now?
They why Chinese upgraded ver of VT4A, only have one ERA as a whole on the front face, but VT4 that was once intended to give to Japan, have proper segregated and modeled ERA? And VT4 have higher Auto-loader which gives it better protection, but asking for same model upgrate for old VT4A, was answered with Not A But, and “U have to prove VT4 is VT4”
They why Chinese wingloong UAV only have 6km AKD9 missile with little explosive in it when introduced, and others have hellfire of 8km? When UAV is totally nerfed and unplayable, only then they decided to give it the AKD10 with even higher SP than its conterparts-- 1000 SP?
Then why Chinese top pack vehicle was longly being T-62 No.545? Despite all other nations are in the modern era having XM1 etc.?
Then why when gaijin know TOR is not a competent top tier vehicle, and even use that as an excuse to openly explain why they won’t give TOR to USSR in a dev blog Q&A, but CN waited for 3 years to get a Pantir-S1 conterpart (CS/SA5)? And now with all other trees having multi-vehicle AA with new mechanism? When will China get that? Another 3 years?
Then why malicious comments like TEMU this TEMU that is allowed under the CN vehicle’s EN dev blog, but saying “It’s just a cheap copy of …” was rejected in other dev blogs?
Then why CN tree is the one to be sacrificed in Xmas update even when that update is almost the same update of the Chinese NY? In Dec of 2021, Chinese tree get M41D and La11 as Xmas present, two totally copy-paste WWII or Early cold war vehicle for a big major update! While other trees are all doing modern day stuff.
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I CAN DO THIS ALL DAY.
Yes, all trees are mistreated.
But u guys just like that kind of HYPO crying all lives matter when we talk about mistreating.
The ONLY two trees that we also feel sorry about was French longly lacking proper Packing Vehicle and Italy once longly lacking missle AA at top-tier.
Gaijin still don’t understand why we’re angry. Although claiming giving Sing. to CN make a lot HYPOs failed to pretend and yaping “It’s just a game” “U guys are overacting.” when it comes to VT-4. (And again, we absolutely don’t mind giving outport vehicles to others trees, it’s totally fine, but no, not in 9.3, the V-J day, this update to Japan, like , how does it feel to have a Japan Sale on Pearl Harbour day?)
We actually just wanna such mistreating STOP! and we have a great bunch of domestically made vehicles, just don’t gib us those copy-pasta anymore! And as if we OWE those HYPOs yapping “CN tree are full of copy-paste, so u should be thankful to us.” Meh.
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To anyone invested in the placement of Singapore in the game, I encourage you go and add your opinion to the new poll
A new Singapore poll was created
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This is very convenient when ignoring issues with the Japanese tree, such as most recently the complete lack of 14.3 aircraft (same as China), the very lacking top tier SAM and similar issues regarding historical performance of vehicles.
I’d agree China is worse off just because Japanese MBTs due to the reload don’t need to rely on their botched armor, and the Chinese situation is amplified by the fact it very much should be a major nation, but I don’t think pretending Japan is this perfect nation in game is fair either. It’s a minor nation tree most comparable to France, Italy or Sweden, and that’s very much how it performs.
There’s good areas, and a lot of issues especially historically. For example while it’s claimed Thai vehicles are magically fixed for being in Japan, the M163 is the wrong (inferior) model compared to the M163A1 Thailand had, the modelling issues of the M60A3 TTS turret still weren’t fixed despite Thailand being the second nation to need these exact fixes, the Stingray is missing horsepower and the Oplot has similar armor issues to what Chinese tanks have been suffering from.
So it’s not that Japan is preferred, but probably accurate that China is treated even more poorly.
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Show us where on the map that Thailand is China.
Cause it isn’t.
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Couldn’t have said it better myself and I’m a Japan and China main here, both nations have more issues in common than people realize, in air for example, the AAM-4 and PL-12 are both artificially nerfed, both lacking about 15% to 20% more range than they currently have (they are touted as AIM-120C equivalents in real life) they’re still great missiles nonetheless. But the AAM-4 for example is using the wrong model as I’ve been told, it’s using the AAM-4B 3D model. The F-15JM is also supposed to have rear facing antennas that act as a rear hemisphere MAWS system and warn the pilot of incoming infrared/semi active/active radar guided missiles, the bug report for that has been accepted long ago and the F-15JM never got it (I’ll include a screenshot of the bug report).
Meanwhile the J-11B at the same BR has its full MAWS system modeled. The AAM-3 can’t turn as much as it should because gaijin hasn’t implemented Bank To Turn mechanics ingame (the Magic 2 and AIM-54 would also benefit from this) and both the AAM-3 and PL-8B are artificially nerfed with their seeker type for balancing purposes.
Japan lacks a 14.0 jet even though gaijin could bring the F-15JM prototype with the IRST dome and maybe finally model its “rear facing MAWS” + give it the AIM-120C-5 and AAM-4B (which would compensate somewhat for it not having an AESA radar itself but if its munition has it, could help)
The top tier tanks in Japan have their armor completely ruined so some of the Chinese acting like their tree is the only one with these issues is delusional
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It feels like a lot of players that are upset about the VT4 going to Japan, don’t seem to understand the whole concept of a subtree/subnation.
You have some players that are upset about the possibility of the Thai VT4, but then at the same time other players from that region are saying who cares and give it to Japan under Thai because its a garbage tank, something along those lines.
As for Singapore, it makes no sense. We can apply the same argument the Chinese player base has, but for Singapore going to China.
Where will Gaijin draw the line? We already know our feedback REALLY doesn’t matter. This is simply just damage control. Gaijin themselves admitted on many occasions that decisions are made well in advance. Most recent examples being Gen5 aircraft being something set for late next year.
There’s no win/win for Gaijin in this situation.
Its either they piss off the Chinese community and add the Thai VT4, or they piss off everyone else and cancel the Thai VT4 entirely, and add Singapore to China. Maybe another reality where both VT4 and SG is cancelled or where both are added.
I made this representation of what Chile and Singapore’s land subtrees would look like in Israel. It fills several gaps and gives Israel many of the light vehicles it lacks. This is in case Gaijin changes his mind about Singapore in China.
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Considering most nations seem to be going for two subtrees currently (Britain with ZA/IN, France with BE/NL, Italy with HU/RO, Sweden with FI/NO and Japan with TH/ID) I think this seems like a reasonable choice.
Also anything to give Israel ranks 1-3, maybe I’d get around to properly start it then.
yeah only thing is putting a THAI VT4 in japan a NATO country is rather weird since ya know china is on the opisite side of nato hence why it makes sense not to add it as it be like adding a mig 21 to american tree
what relation does singapore have to isareal that justifys it being a sub tree
as far as i know they have larger ties to U.S then Isarel politically speaking
Here’s a short summary I got from some of the players that worked on the recent poll I made.
After gaining independence, the IDF sent a mission of military advisors that provided training and military assistance, but the relationship was not widely publicised to not antagonise neighbouring countries[1]. Singapore and Israel maintain very close defence ties to this day in areas such as cyber[2] and weapons development, with examples such as the RSAF being the only other operator of Israeli modified F-16s[3] and the jointly developed Blue Spear missile[4].
Sources
[1] - Lee, K. Y. (2000). From third world to first: The Singapore story: 1965–2000. Singapore Press Holdings; Times Editions. https://www.intuganda.org/wp-content/uploads/kanzu_intug/class24/From-Third-World-to-First-World_The-Singapore-Story-1965-2000-Lee-Kwan-Yew.pdf
[2] - Defence News. (2016, April 19). Israel, Singapore pledge expanded cyber cooperation. Retrieved from https://www.defensenews.com/global/2016/04/19/israel-singapore-pledge-expanded-cyber-cooperation
[3] - The Aviationist. (2025, January 27). RSAF F-16D+ seen with Python-5 missile for the first time. https://theaviationist.com/2025/01/27/rsokaf-f-16d-seen-python-5-first-time/
[4] Yeo, M. (2020, July 28). Singapore, Israeli firms team to develop new ship-killing missile. Defense News. Singapore, Israeli firms team to develop new ship-killing missile
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On one hand fair enough, on the other it’s not Japanese but Thai. Thailand isn’t a NATO country, but one trying to balance neutral standing between the major powers in the area.
This historically wasn’t a concern for different nations in subtrees/techtrees such as Hungary and Romania, who used to be Warsaw pact countries while Italy was already part of NATO, or DDR (GDR) / BRD (FRG) and PRC / ROC, who are are on opposite sites politically and militarily. It’s not really unusual.
But still, I can see the point you’re trying to make here.
id say no to chile as there basically a mini america
they use/used american F5s F16 MH60s etc they have a few foreign vehicles like hawker and mirage but thats it there also far more close to america than Isarel as it does get tense between them
if chile is a sub tree for anyone its should be america as it just be more copy and paste
I completely missed this when reading earlier… Is this a Stingray tank for Chile?
If so I’d really like to hear what’s behind it, and if not it’d be interesting to hear what it is instead.
Nice work! Also, I love that you included Ranks I-III, as they should have always been included. Honestly, I was looking over Chile for Israel, and they might just work as a Sub TT along with Singapore. Chile would certainly help out in the Bluewater Naval department, considering Israel’s current Bluewater TT would be three Destroyers in total. With Chile, they’d get a couple of good Cruisers and Destroyers… and at minimum two Battleships
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Subtrees are added for the reasons explained in this post we’re discussing. They help create lineups to make a tree more competitive, fill missing gaps, provide gameplay variety, etc. Chile helps extend Israel to rank 1 in all its trees, so it’s useful. Now, if there are people who don’t like copy/paste, it’s a shame because that’s always been the case and will continue to be the case. I’m also not going to explain the close ties between Chile and Israel here, as I’ve made several suggestions for that in the forum, where you can read more.
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In 1992, a Stingray was sent to Chile for testing by the army, but after the tests, the army showed no interest and did not purchase it. So, like other vehicles in the game, the Stingray can be added to the Chilean subtree as a tested vehicle.
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Thank you very much for your opinion. The same would happen in the air tree, Chile would help Israel achieve its ranks I-III, and Singapore could help with the higher ranks. In the naval field, Chile was a continental power for a few years with its battleships, cruisers, and destroyers, so it could help Israel achieve its blue-water naval tree as well. Even in helicopters we have something to offer.
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Interesting this could be a chance for Gaijin to make a model of the first prototype that was used for foreign demonstrations of the tank. That way the US Stingray could actually be changed to an American owned tank instead of a Thai service vehicle.