- Yes
- No
- Yes
- No
- Only if there are unique designs, unique modifications of existing designs or no other alternatives
- Yes exclusively
- Yes but it should alternate between English and Afrikaans
- Yes but it should be togglable between the two in the options
- No
- Full TT (Union of SA as well as Zuid Afrika from 1948 onwards)
- Israeli TT (1947-1948 Zuid Afrika onwards)
- I said no in the first poll
- UK
- FRA
- ITA
- GER
- IBR (If a Future Spanish/Iberian TT is added)
- I said no or Full TT in the other polls
- Yes
- No: Jordan should be a subtree of a different nation
- No: I don’t want a Jordanian Subtree in any form
Note: This thread is very incomplete is currently under construction so please be patient as i fill out the details. Also if you have any additional info, images, sources or even vehicles i missed please let me know
Finally i’ll be referring to the Afrikaaner name of “Suid Afrika” instead of the English name of “South Africa” with some exceptions
Everybody should know that Suid-Afrika was added in March 2021 with some Suid Afrikan vehicles such as the Rooikat 76 being added even earlier as a subtree to the UK TT. Ever since then Gaijin used it to cover the various weaknesses of the UK Ground TT such as the absence of Light vehicles as well as the lack of SPG’s and Anti-Air vehicles. However the decision to add Suid Afrika as a Subtree has created several issues with 2 major ones that i’ll list. Firstly the Addition of Suid Afrika gave Gaijin the excuse to kick the issue of “Adding Domestic British LT’s, SPAA’s, SAM’s and TD’s/SPG’s” down the road, only adding domestic British LT’s very recently in the form of the Fox and Vickers Mk.11. The other issue is that because Suid Afrika is a British Subtree a lot of domestic and modified Suid Afrikan designs get left behind. Because of that the only real solution to this issue is to make Suid Afrika a proper independent TT within it’s own right.
While looking up what vehicles would be represented in a Independent Suid-Afrikan TT i noticed that quite a few were exports or joint ventures between ZA & another nation with one nation in particular that keeps popping up, Jordan. Because of that I made 2 version of the TT’s with and without a Jordanian Subtree. Suid Afrika had some involvement in the development of some Iraqi SPG’s so they will be represented too
In the case of Neighbouring African Nations, i’ll be only choosing nations that have close ties with Suid-Afrika so nations like Namibia, Botswana, South Rhodesia, Rhodesia-Zimbabwe and Malawi (maybe Eswatini and Lesotho if i can find any vehicles for either) will be represented but not Angola or Mozambique.
What an Independent Suid Afrikan TT could possibly look like
Air TT:
Ground TT:
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Without Jordanian Subtree
With Jordanian Subtree: Yes i know that 6 lines is technically impossible so the subtree, it’s just a thought experiment
Helicopter TT:
COIN TT:
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TBA
Coastal Naval TT:
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TBA
Bluewater TT:
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TBA
Playstyle wise Suid-Afrika by itself would be a more extreme version of the Italian playstyle while with the addition of a Jordanian Subtree in one way or another would address some of Suid-Afrika’s most pressing drawbacks such as lack of Top-Tier MBT’s & SPAA for example while still retaining the playstyle of the Suid Afrikan TT
Vehicles:
Air
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Tier III
Kittyhawk IA: (Reserve)
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Already ingame as the P-40E-1
Kittyhawk IV:
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British designation of the P-40N that the SAAF operated
Mustang III:
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British designation of the P-51C that the SAAF operated
Beaufighter Mk.VI & X
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Both are already ingame
Mosquito Mk.II & VI
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The latter is already ingame while the former is a dedicated Heavy Fighter variant of the Mosquito, only equipped with Offensive armaments (4 Hispano autocannons and 4 Browning lmg’s)
Percival Provost T.52: Operated by South Rhodesia
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The Percival Provost is a light attack and COIN aircraft operated by South Rhodesia during the Bush war. It’s equip with 2 forward firing lmgs for offensive armaments, mountable armaments include RP-3 rockets and up to 2 500lbs bombs. Interestingly enough one Ex-South Rhodesian Provost was gifted to the Chinese National Air Museum in Beijing by Zimbabwe though not a big surprise due to ZANU’s Maoist’s roots
Harvard IIA:
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The Harvard IIA is a Canadian built variant of the AT-6 Texan Trainer and Light Attack aircraft. The South Africans equipped 2 lmgs for offensive armaments as well as an additional defensive lmg if needed. Mounting wise it can equip various rockets include SNEB Rocketpods and dumb bombs
Hurricane Mk.IIC/Trop:
Ventura GR.V:
Baltimore Mk.V:
Warwick Mk.V:
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British built Maritime patrol aircraft evolved from the Wellington Medium Bomber. Can equip torps, dumb bombs, mines, depth charges in terms of bombload. The defensive armament on the other hand is significantly better on the Warwick than on the Wellington since it has 50.cal defensive armaments on the tail and nose turrets
Hurricane Mk.II.C/Trop mod (Premium/Pre Order):
Kittyhawk III (Premium):
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British designation of the P-40K that the SAAF operated. Essentially a P-40L with a Allison engine, retaining the nose top scoop
Bf 109F-4/trop (Premium):
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At least 1 Bf 109F-4/trop was captured by South African forces during the Second World War
Mosquito B Mk.XVI (Squadron):
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This is a dedicated fast high altitude bomber variant of the Mosquito with a modified bomb-bay allowing for the mounting of a 4000lbs bomb. Like with the other Bomber Mosquito’s it completely lacks any offensive armaments to make way for the bombardier compartment. It can also be retrofitted for photo reconnaissance missions
This is added as a squadron vehicle since it is a Mosquito without any offensive armaments so defending itself except for a lucky bomb drop. Despite this the bomb is large enough to take out a base as well as be very competitive in Ground and Naval battles
Tier IV
Spitfire Vc/trop:
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Already ingame
P-51D-20:
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Already ingame
F-51K:
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Already ingame in the Chinese TT
PC-7 Mk.II M “Astra”:
FTB337G “Lynx”: Operated by South Rhodesia
Spitfire HF & LF Mk.IX:
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The latter is already ingame while the former is a subvariant of the Mk.IX specialised in High Altitude dogfighting akin to the Ta-152H, to achieve this, the HF uses the Merlin 70 engine as well as having different wing tips
Spitfire FB Mk.22: Operated by South Rhodesia
Maruder Mk.III
Shackleton MR.3
F-51D-25 “2nd Squadron” (Premium):
B-24J (Premium):
SF-260W/TP “Genet” (Squadron): Operated by South Rhodesia, Rhodesia Zimbabwe and Zimbabwe
Tier V
Meteor F Mk.3:
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Already ingame
Vampire T.55 & FB Mk.5:
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The Latter is already ingame while the former is a combat trainer variant of the Vampire that can do fighter-bomber roles in a pinch, The T.55 Vampire will only be to carry dumb and napalm bombs for secondary armaments
F-86F-30:
MB-326M: Can also be referred to as the “Impala I (Early)”
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This suppose to represent the very early MB-326M “Impala”, because of that it will have several omissions in comparison to the “Impala I” later down the line such as lack of AAM’s, guided weapons and most likely the omission of CM. It will still retain a Ballistics computer.
One weapon that the Impalas will get starting with this one is the addition of a unique MG-151 Gunpod for additional firepower
This is mainly to fill in a large gap in the second line of the TT
MG-151 Gunpod
Strikemaster Mk.87: Operated by Botswana
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Botswana obtained several Strikemasters from Kuwait (Strikemaster Mk.83) and Kenya (Strikemaster Mk.87) for a short period of time, eventually being phased out with Modified Ex Canadian Airforce CF-5A’s & D’s
Canberra B Mk.2 & T.4: B.2 Canberra operated by South Rhodesia
Canberra B(I) Mk.12:
Strikemaster Mk.83 (Premium): Operated by Botswana
Vampire FB Mk.9 (Premium/Pre order): Operated by South Rhodesia
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The FB.9 Vampire is a tropicalized subvariant of the FB.5 operated by the South Rhodesian Airforce. Functionally identical to the FB.5
MB-326K (Premium): Can also be referred to as the “Impala II (Early)”
Tier VI
Cl-13 B Mk.6:
Mirage III CZ & DZ:
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Mirage III’s built in specifications for the Suid Afrikan Air force. The IIICZ will be more Air to Air orientated with Magic’s, R.511’s and R.530’s but only can carry rockets as it’s Air to Ground munitions. The IIIDZ on the other hand is more Multirole in profile with an expanded air to ground loadout at the cost of no radar guided missiles
Impala I
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The definitive Suid-Afrikan built MB-326L’s featuring a more expanded loadouts including AAM’s (V3A & B), more AGM’s, and countermeasures
Impala II: Also operated by the Brazilian Airforce
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The same as the Impala I but applied to the Impala II as well as getting access to Brazilian built AAM’s. 12 were sold to the Brazilian Airforce where they given the designation “AT-26A Xavante”
Image of an Brazilian Airforce AT-26A
Link to active suggestion for the implementation of the Impala II
Atlas Impala Mk II - "Prey Turned Predator"
Hunter FGA Mk.9: Operated by Rhodesia Zimbabwe and Zimbabwe
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This is suppose to represent Hunter FGA.9’s operated by Rhodesia Zimbabwe onwards. It will get a ballistics computer, countermeasures and an expanded Air to Ground loadout
CF-5A: Operated by Botswana
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Botswana obtained 13 CF-5A’s from Canada from 1996 to 2000 to replace their aging fleet of Strikemasters further pushed by a design flaw found on the Strikemaster that caused premature fatigue on the wings. They still operate to this day [as of 2024] however they are being planned to be phased out with either the Gripen or Tejas Mk.1A being likely candidates
I remember somewhere where Canadair, the builders of the CF-5A were doing some modernization to Canadian CF-5’s sometime in the 1990’s however i do not remember the exact details of it
Hawk-60: Operated by Rhodesia Zimbabwe and Zimbabwe
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Several Hawks were brought by Rhodesia Zimbabwe mainly to modernize their fleet of aircraft particularly their Vampires for ground attack roles. By the time the first Hawks arrived Rhodesia Zimbabwe became Zimbabwe in 1982. The Zimbabwean Airforce still operates them to this day at a limited capacity
Armament wise it will consists of either a 12.7 or 30mm autocannon, various dumb bombs, rocketpods, some guided bombs and AIM-9L AAM’s
Hunter T.81: Operated by Rhodesia Zimbabwe and Zimbabwe
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Rhodesia obtained at least a handful of ex Kenyan Hunter T.81’s for training and ground attack roles
Buccaneer S.50:
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Unique Suid-Afrikan variant of the venerable Buccaneer Strike aircraft with a wider selection of dumb bombs to choose from as well as using AS-30 AGM’s instead of the Bullpups. Suid Afrikan Buccaneers can use either the RP or SNEB rocketpods just like their British counterparts (though the latter is not added ingame for whatever reason). Finally it has a deployable RATO capabilities and it’s exclusively a Land variant due to Zuid Afrika never operating any Aircraft Carriers. The main drawback to the S.50 is the total absence of AAM’s of any kind as well as the total absence of a refueling probe.
It was used extensively as a Ground Attack, Strike, Interdiction and CAS aircraft during the Border war against Angola.
Finally it will be Suid Afrika’s Tier VI nuclear carrying aircraft in RGB
Link to active suggestion for the implementation of the Buccaneer S.50
Hawker Siddeley Buccaneer S.50 - "Easy Rider"
Nesher T:
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Zuid Afrika brought 5 Nesher T’s from Israel sometime around the mid 1970’s, they were eventually converted into Cheetah D’s
The Nesher T is essentially a 2 seat multirole trainer aircraft. It will have access to CM at the cost of no AAM
Hunter FGA.9 “1st Squadron” (Premium/Pre-order):
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Already ingame except for the addition of the V3A Kukiri AAM since Suid Afrikan technicians did some testing of the AAM on a loaned Hunter though the Rhodesia never operationally used the AAM due to political reasons. Maybe CM’s if needed but no ballistics computer
K-8 Karakorum (Premium): Operated by Namibia
CF-5D (Squadron): Operated by Botswana
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Botswana obtained 5 CF-5D’s around the same time as they were receiving their CF-5A’s. The CF-5D’s like with their American counterparts the F-5B lack any inbuilt guns. Because of this it will be relegated as a Ground Attack, CAS & Strike aircraft
Tier VII
Mirage IIIEZ:
Mirage F1CZ:
Cheetah E:
Hawk 120:
F-7MN: Operated by Namibia
MiG-23UB: Operated by Zimbabwe
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Zimbabwe obtained at least 1 MiG-23UB from Libya during the late 1990’s, used primarily for ground attack and bombing roles akin to the MiG-23BN
Mirage F1AZ:
Mirage IIIRZ (Premium/Pre order):
Cheetah B (Premium):
MiG-23MS (Premium): Operated by Zimbabwe
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Zimbabwe obtained 3 MiG-23MS’s from Libya in the late 1990’s
MiG-21Bis (Premium):
Kfir C.9 (Event): Proposed vehicle, never completed
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The Kfir C.9 was a proposed variant of the IAI Kfir for the Argentine Airforce. The Argentines wanted to modernize their airforce without breaking the bank, the Kfirs are also very similar to the Mirage III’s that Argentina is operating making training pilots for it especially their Mirage pilots as seamless as possible. However due to several factors the Argentine Airforce never adopted it. Argentina wasn’t the only country that is interested in the Kfir. Zuid Afrika was also interested in the Kfir for a lot of the same reasons especially spurred by the embargos originally just for arms sales has now extended to economic ones as well starting from the late 1970’s begin to take it’s toll on the Zuid Afrikan economy. Ultimately though Suid Afrika didn’t adopt the Kfir either, instead using it as a base for Suid Afrika to develop their own multirole jet aircraft which eventually became the Cheetah.
FT-7MN (Squadron): Operated by Namibia
Tier VIII
Cheetah D & Super Cheetah D:
Cheetah C:
Carver: Unfinished vehicle
JAS-39C & D
Super Mirage F1AZ
Air (Counter Insurgency)
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TBA
Helicopters
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Tier V
AS-550 Flash:
Alouette II & Wasp HAS-1:
G/K Car: Operated by South Rhodesia
XH-1 Alpha (Gift/Automatically unlocked when reached to Tier VI):
Tier VI
A-109E LUH:
W-3WB Huzar:
Mi-25: Operated by Namibia
XTP-1 Beta (1988):
Mi-24A (Premium):
Super Hind Mk.II (Event):
Tier VII
Super Lynx Mk.300:
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Anti-Shipping and Anti-Submarine export variant of the Lynx operated by several countries including the Zuid Afrikan Airforce & Navy
Super Mi-17:
Z-9G: Operated by Namibia
Super Hind Mk.III:
XTP-1 Beta (1990):
Rooivalk Mk.1 CSF & ADM XC-30:
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The former is already ingame while the latter is a ADM with a 30mm XC-30 turret, otherwise is identical to the ADM
Rooivalk ADM (Premium/Pre-order):
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Second Rooivalk prototype that participated and displayed in various air shows in the early-mid 1990’s. It had some minor design changes from the XDM with the biggest difference being the omission of the Apache style engine vents. The weapons are functional on this prototype
Link to suggestion of the adding of the ADM & XDM Helicopter
Atlas Rooivalk XDM/ ADM: South Africa's First True Attack Helicopter
Rooivalk XDM (Squadron): May be replaced with the Rooivalk EDM instead
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First Rooivalk Prototype, mainly used as a flight demonstrator. None of the weapons are functional though they can still mount them for aerodynamic and other flight related testing purposes
Tier VIII
Super Hind Mk.IV: Built in Zuid Afrika, operated by Algeria
Rooivalk Mk.2 & Mk.2 ASELAN mod.:
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Both of these are upgrade packages of the Rooivalk Attack Helicopter, modernizing it. There is also talks of reopening the Rooivalk production line both for domestic and export use. In 2023 Denel partnered up with Turkish Defense firm ASELAN to modernise the Rooivalk
Ground
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Tier III
M4A3 (105) (Reserve):
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Already ingame in various TT’s, this will be one of the reserve vehicles in the Zuid Afrikan TT
Sherman IV:
Sherman Vc Firefly & IIa:
Concept 1 & 3:
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The latter is already ingame except it will get a APDS round while with a slight BR increase. The Concept 1 is a very early proof of concept prototype vehicle that would eventually become the Rooikat. It was built on a Ratel Chassis
SARC Mk.VI (6pdr):
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Already ingame. It will be the starting vehicle in the Light wheeled armoured vehicles line
SARC Mk.IV QF3.7in: Built in Suid Afrika, (possibly) operated by Jordan
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A SARC Mk.IV with it’s turret removed and subsequently replaced by a QF3.7in mountain howitzer, it can fire smoke, HE & HEAT shells (Maybe HESH but i’m not sure about that one)
SARC Mk.IVB: Built in Zuid Afrika, operated by Jordan
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A SARC Mk.IVb with a 6 pounder, used extensively by the Jordanians. Will be the starter vehicle in the TD & SPG line regardless if Jordan is added or not, it will also be another reserve vehicle
FV101 Scorpion: Operated by Botswana & Jordan
SARC Mk.II (20mm Breda) (Reserve):
Unimog KPV-T & 20mm HS.404: Operated by both Zuid Afrika and South Rhodesia
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Both Zuid Afrika and South Rhodesia operated several hundred Unimogs for several purposes including resupply runs, general logistics, troop transport and recce missions. In the case of the latter the Zuid Afrikans and South Rhodesians mounted several anti-infantry, anti-air and even anti-armour and anti-tanks. This includes several captured KPV-T HMG’s and HS.404 Autocannons. Even though these modifications were done at the 1970’s all the AA weapons shown were low tech so seeing them in a WWII and a early post WWII isn’t too egregious
Morris (40mm Bofors):
SARC Mk.III 25 & s Pz B 41 (Gift/Automatically unlocked when reached to Tier IV):
Churchill Mk.IV AVRE (Squadron)
Concept 2 (Premium/Pre-order):
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The same as the Concept 1 & 3 built built on a Eland Chassis
SARC Mk.V (Premium):
Sherman III (Premium):
Tier IV
Comet I:
T-34-85: Operated by South Rhodesia
Ratel 60 & 90:
Ratel 20: Built in Zuid Afrika, Operated by Jordan
Eland 60 ENTAC:
Eland Mk.2:
Ferret Mk.II (M40A1):
Mamba Mk.II (M40A1):
Tapir (M40A1):
Casspir K Car (HS.404+M40A1):
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The Casspir is a encased MRAP developed in the late 1970’s after the massive increase to not only disabling of vehicles from AT mines but also injuries and even deaths inflicted from Anti-Personnel mines. Experiencing this an ordinance was implemented to develop a new MRAP. Zuid Afrika were already fielding MRAVS in the form of the Hippo and Buffel as well as South Rhodesia having their own similar developments such as the Pookie for example. However each 3 have serious drawbacks, the Hippo for example was literally a Bedford truck modified to be a MRAP which worked but it’s far from ideal. This was an intentional choice since it was supposed to be a stopgap when a proper MRAP was developed. The Buffel was built from the ground up to be a proper MRAP with foldable walls. It was far more successful than the Hippo however it did came with one major flaw, it was opened top, making it resistant to mines at the cost of being more vulnerable to mortar fire, grenade toss or even a arcing flamethrower attack. Finally the Pookie was enclosed like the Casspir however it was tiny, can only seat the driver in the protected compartment and used wheels from a salvaged F1 Car because of that the Pookie was used exclusively as a mineclearing vehicle by first by the South Rhodesians then the Zimbabweans and even the UN. The Casspir combined the enclosed nature of the Pookie with the troop compartment of the Buffel without sacrificing top protection for the troops
The Casspir baptism of fire was during the Border war where it was proven to be very successful where they protected troops from AT mines even if when it’s fully disabled. The success of the Casspir didn’t go unnoticed. Their main adversary the MPLA and their Cuban allies made their own attempts in making MRAP’s themselves by modifying ZIL trucks. Several other nations were also paying attention to these types of vehicles as well. Once Apartheid was ended in 1994 and the subsequent embargos lifted, several nations began to place orders on the Casspir which included Egypt, India, Iraq, Namibia and even the USMC.
Several variants of the Casspir were made ranging from minor upgrades in various aspects to even new wheel layouts such as the Sesspir for example which was a proposed variant of a 6 wheeled Casspir. Only one Sesspir was built. Weaponwise it was normally it was equipped with either a 7.62 or 12.7mm machine gun however on some occasions a 20mm HS.404 Autocannon was mounted instead. Some Casspirs have the troop compartment omitted and replaced with a flatbed where a M40A1 recoilless rifle can be mounted alongside an ammo compartment for said recoilless rifle
Ysetrvark:
Bosvark:
Wer’wolf Mk.II (ZU-23-2)
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The Wer’wolf Mk.II is the second production series of the Wer’wolf MRAP. It is comparable to the Casspir. This specific Wer’wolf has it’s troop compartment for a rear mounted turret consisting of a ZU-23-2 Autocannon, functioning as a better armed Bosvark
PT-76B (Premium): Operated both by Zuid Afrika and South Rhodesia
Raterl 20 Mineclearer (Premium)
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Ratel 20 with Mineclearing equipment. Extensively used in Namibia and Angola due to extensive minelaying from SWAPO insurgents and MPLA forces
Boerboel (Event):
Eland Mk.7 (SS.11) (Premium/Pre-order):
Tier V
Olifant Mk.I & Mk.IA:
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The former is functionally identical to the Centurion Mk.3/5 more specifically the Israeli Shot subvariant. The latter is already ingame
T-55LD: Operated by South Rhodesia
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10 Polish built T-55’s were seized by Zuid Afrikan customs when the French owned shipped moved too close to Zuid Afrikan waters. These T-55’s were originally intended for the Ugandan army but instead due to the seizure was handed over to South Rhodesia instead. Suid Afrika also operated additional T-55’s captured from Angola during the Border war
iKlwa 20:
Ratel 20 (MILAN):
Rooikat Class I:
FV721 Fox: Operated by Malawi
Eland Mk.7:
MC 90 Springbok:
G6 Rhino:
Ysterarend (MILAN):
MPCV “Spook” (M621): Operated by South Rhodesia and Rhodesia Zimbabwe
Ratel 23-2: Built in Zuid-Afrika, Modified by Jordan and Operated by Jordan and Yemen
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A Ratel Variant unique to Jordan where the Turret was replaced with a Remote controlled turret consisting of a ZU-23-2 autocannon, the same one found on Jordanian operated BTR-94’s. Used first by the Jordanian Army and later by the Yemeni army
RG-34 Iguana (Premium): Built in Zuid Afrika, operated by Nigeria
Skokiaan (Squadron):
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The Skokiaan is a proposed upgrade package to Zuid Afrika’s Centurions, addressing the lack of speed and performance as well as overheating and diminishing spare parts of said engine due to arms embargos by replacing the Rolls Royce Meteor engine with a engine from Continental, the same family of engines used in the M47 & M48 Pattons. Ultimately 9 Centurions had this modification since this is a stopgap for a more permanent upgrade package is implemented
It’s added as a Squadron since aside from the engine and it’s subsequent performance boost it is identical to the Cent.3
Link to suggestion of the adding of the Skokiaan
Skokiaan
Semel (Premium/Pre-order):
WZ523 (2A28) (Squadron): Operated by Namibia
Rooikat Class IIb (Premium):
Tier VI
Olifant Mk.IB & Mk.IB Optimum:
Sk-105: Operated by Botswana
Rooikat 76:
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Already ingame in the German and French TT’s
Rooikat Class 3 “Bismark”:
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This is a Class 3 with a turret from the Olifant Mk.1B turret, giving it more armour at the cost of being significantly heavier. Was rejected with the prototype being on display in Bloemfontein
Ratel 35:
RG-34 Iguana TRT-25:
NGICV:
RG-41 TRT-30:
NIMIR TRT-30: Joint Zuid-Afrikan Emirati venture
Mamba II & REVA II INGAWE:
G6-52ER:
RG-31 Ibululu:
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A prototype Anti-Helicopter and Reece vehicle built on a chassis of a RG-31 consisting of a unmanned 30mm autocannon placed behind the driver & crew compartment
G6 Rhino Marksman: Incomplete vehicle
SA-9 Gaskin:
Al-Manjoon (Event): Joint Suid-Afrikan Iraqi venture
Rooikat 76 D’Artgnan (Premium/Pre-order):
T-72 ZA-35 (Event):
Rooikat 105 MTTD (Premium):
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Already ingame
Class 3 P (Event):
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Already ingame as a German Event vehicle
Rooikat 76 CVED (Squadron):
Al-Fao (Squadron): Joint Suid-Afrikan Iraqi venture/Iraqi evolution of the Al-Manjoon
iKlwa TRT-30 (Premium):
Tier VII
Olifant Mk.II:
Olifant/Tariq Falcon: Joint Suid-Afrikan Jordanian Venture
Loggim 120: Unfinished prototype, Gun built and tested
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The Production variant of the Loggim was intended to have a 120mm GT6 Smoothbore cannon however since the project was cancelled the 120mm was never mounted on a Loggim. Despite this the gun was built and did some fire testing. Max gun elevation is 20 degrees while max gun depression is -10 degrees
Rooikat 40
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Prototype Rooikat with the L/70 40mm autocannon found on the Strf 9040B. Pretty much functions as a wheeled Strf 9040B.
Rooikat 105 & 35/ZT3
Wer’wolf Mk.III (2A28+9M133): Operated by Namibia
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Namibian built MRAP with a turret from a BMP-1 mounted ontop of it. Namibia never used the Konkurs so the Wer’wolf will get the Kornet instead as it’s ATGM
Piranha IIIC HITFIST: Operated by Botswana
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Botswana operates around 90 Piranha IIIC’s starting from 2003 onwards. Another order of 45 Piranha IIIC’s were placed ontop of Botswana’s existing fleet, this time with a Italian built HITFIST Turret consisting of a 30mm autocannon arriving in Botswana starting in 2019 and the order finished in 2022
Ratel & Badger ZT3:
T-72M-T/G6:
Cactus:
Rooikat ZA-35 & SAM:
Loggim 105 (Premium):
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Already ingame as the “TTD”. Could also be renamed to the “Loggim Prototype”
Warrior LMT 105 (Event):
T-72M LIW “Tiger” (Premium/Event):
BMP-1 IST UWMP (Squadron):
Tier VIII
T-72M LIW & ATE/IST:
Rooikat 120 MTTD: Unfinished prototype, Gun built and tested
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The 105mm was not the only cannon chosen for the MTTD program since there is plans to give the MTTD a 120mm cannon possibly the same one that the Loggim 120 is going to use though like with the Loggim the 120mm wasn’t mounted due to the MTTD program like the Loggim program being canned
Badger:
Mbombe 8 (2A42):
Barys 8x8 (AU-220): Joint Suid-Afrikan Kazakh venture
iKlwa IST UWMP:
Rooikat Predator: Joint Suid-Afrikan Jordanian venture
VL MICA ADS: Operated by Botswana
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Botswana brought 14 VL MICA ADS in 2016, making Botswana the most capable country to defend itself from aerial attack in Sub-Saharan Africa. Is primarily added due to lack of alternatives
Coastal Fleet
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TBA
Bluewater Fleet
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TBA
Jordanian Subtree
Air
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Tier V
Vampire FB.6
Tier VI
Hunter T.66B
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The Two-Seater Combat trainer variant of the Hunter that Jordan Operated. Only has 1 ADEN as a offensive armament but it can carry an assortment of air to ground secondary loadouts, mainly geared towards bombing, ground attack & CAS
Hunter F.6 & FGA.73
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Jordan operated a several dozen Hunters including F.6’s, F.58’s, FGA.73’s & T.66’s. The F.6 will use AIM-9B’s and dumb bombs while the FGA.73 will be functionally be identical to the FGA.9 1st Squadron premium aircraft with the addition of CM. All of Jordan’s Hunters were gifted to Oman in 1975 after failed attempts to sell them to Honduras and even South Rhodesia
F-104A:
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Already ingame
Hawk Mk.63 (Premium):
Tier VII
C.101CC-04:
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Dedicated CASA C.101CC variant for the Royal Jordanian Airforce where the RJAF operated a total of 18 of them from 1987 until 2018 for Advanced training, ground attack and CAS roles. Functions very similarly to the Chilean A-36 Toqui except it totally lacks the ASM capabilities. Jordanian C.101’s uses AIM-9L’s instead of the Shafirs the Toqui used as well.
F-5E & F:
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The F-5E will be geared more towards AA combat with an expanded AAM option to choose from with only being able to carry unguided rockets as it’s ground attack ordinance while the F-5F is tailored more towards a Ground attack profile with AGM’s and Bombs with the AIM-9P being it’s strongest AAM.
Mirage F1CJ (Premium):
Tier VIII
Mirage F1EJ:
F-16A:
TAI F-16AM:
F-16/79 (Event/Tournament Reward):
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While Jordan is acquiring a new multirole fighter, the US government offered the F-16/79 to several nations including Jordan to buy. Essentially a F-16A with a downgraded engine. The Jordanians did express interest in the aircraft including doing some testing of the aircraft. The F-16/79 was mainly competing with the F-20 Tigershark and like with the Tigershark failed to get any orders and eventually the whole program being Axed. Jordan did eventually brought F-16’s just more run of the mill F-16A’S
Because of that it will only be added as an rare Event or Tournament reward vehicle
Air (Counter Insurgency)
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TBA
Helicopters
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Tier V
AH-1E:
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Functions as a cross between a AH-1G with it’s secondary loadout and the AH-1E in the Japanese TT with the 20mm turret
Tier VI
Tzefa-D:
AH-1F (Premium):
Tier VII
AH-6i:
Tier VIII
UH-70i:
Ground
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Tier III
FV601 Saladin
Archer
Ford F15 AT Carrier
Archer & M4A4 Arab Legion (Premium/Pre-order/Pack):
Tier IV
Charioteer Mk.VII:
Tier V
Tariq I & V:
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Jordanian designations for the Centurion Mk.3 & 10. The Tariq I will lack an APDS round, otherwise both are identical to their British counterparts
M60A1:
M47M (Premium):
Tier VI
Centauro I 105:
Chieftain Mk.3/5 & Khaild:
Scorpion Scimitar:
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This is a upgrade package for Jordan’s fleet of Scorpions and Scimitars done domestically by KADDB. The Original turret had either had several modifications done or was completely replaced with the new turret. Consisting of a 2A72 Autocannon and the ability to fire Kornet ATGM’s though it can be operated with just the autocannon
Scorpion KASTET: Joint Jordanian-Ukrainian Venture
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This was a upgrade package consisting of the KATSET turret from a Ukrainian defense firm. Armament wise the gun consist of a 30mm 2A72 autocannon and Kornet ATGM’s.
YPR-765 prat:
Temsah (M621): Had some technical assistance from Zuid Afrika
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The Temsah is Jordan’s attempt to prolong the lifespan of Jordan’s fleet of Tariq’s, primarily by modifying them from MBT’s to APC’s & IFV’s. This was done by Jordanian King Abdullah II Design and Development Bureau (KADDB) alongside an unidentified South African firm. They achieved this by majorly overhauling the interior of the Tariq, allowing for a door to be mounted on the rear of the chassis, the engine was also moved to the Front. One of the Temsah’s was used as a testbed for the GIAT M621 autocannon for feasibility of a 20mm Autocannon on it. The trials did show promise ultimately though it wasn’t accepted and instead a British built 20mm was chosen instead
BMP-2 (Premium):
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A handful of BMP-2’s alongside some other vehicles were gifted to Jordan by Saddam Hussein during the 1980’s as a sign of good gesture towards Jordan
Scorpion ALVIS (Squadron):
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This was a another upgrade package consisting of a turret built by British Defense firm ALVIS, consisting of the same armaments as the KASTET
Tier VII
M60 Phoenix & Phoenix Upgrade:
MAP II & Al Dawsar:
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The MAP II also known as the Al Dawsar was an other attempt to prolong the lifespan of the Tariq’s, again by modifying the chassis of the Tariq into a APC & IFV. Like with the Temsah it was done by KADDB, one major difference is that the main entrance is place infront of the APC as well as the back, the Temsah in comparison can only be accessed from the rear. The Al Dawsar can mount an RCWS that consists of a M2HB Browning and Kornet ATGM’s. A 30mm autocannon can also be mounted on the RCWS as well if needed
M60 Phoenix Pre Production (Premium/Pre-order):
Tariq BM-AB-13: Joint Jordanian-Ukrainian Venture (Squadron):
Tier VIII
Centauro 1 105 (2018):
Al Hussein & Al Hussein Falcon:
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The Al-Hussein is a licensed built Challenger I. The Jordanian’s prototyped a Falcon Turret on it as well
Al Hussein II & Al Hussein II Falcon:
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The Al-Hussein is a licensed built Challenger II. Like with the Al Hussein I, the Jordanian’s prototyped a Falcon Turret on it as well
Leclerc Trop AZURE & EAU:
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At least 80 Leclercs were donated to Jordan by the UAE, consisting of the Trop, Trop AZURE & EAU variants
Temsah 9M113 & Predator: Had some technical assistance from Zuid Afrika
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Temsah APC modified to be an ATGM carrier, the former being a ATGM carrier consisting of Kornet ATGM’s and the latter with the Predator system that was also tested on a Rooikat
Temsah 9M133
Temsah Predator
Pantsir S-1E: Evaluation only
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Jordan obtained one Pantsir Anti-Air System in 2007 for evaluation purposes. Is only added due to lack of options from either from Zuid-Afrika or Jordan
Coastal Fleet
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TBA
Bluewater Fleet
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TBA
Possible Additions
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Zuid Afrika
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Ground
- Various Unimogs, MRAP’s and Reece vehicles
- Buffel M40A1
- Tapir AA
- Ysterarend M40A1
- Mechem Krokodil 6x6
- MC Springbok 60
- Casspir K-Car (HS.404)
- Saladin 90
- Saracen 88
- Loggim 140: Proposed Loggim variant with a domestically built 140mm cannon. The Gun was never built so there is a lot of question marks in terms of the gun handling and penetration characteristics for example
- EE-11 Urutu: Zuid Afrika acquired one EE-11 for evaluation purposes as part of the trials that will eventually led to the development of the Ratel. Zuid Afrika still has it and is currently on display
- M60: One M60 was evaluated by Zuid Afrika. Will only be added if a Jordanian subtree is absent
Air
- Atlas ACE
- ARHLAC
Helicopters
- EDM: Rooivalk prototype/pre-production variant
UAV’s
- Mwari
South Rhodesia, Rhodesia Zimbabwe & Zimbabwe
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Ground
- MPCV Spook KPV-T
Helicopters
- Anafa: South Rhodesian Designation “Cheetah”. South Rhodesia obtained at least 11 ex IDF Bell 202 “Anafa’s” illegally through various fronts and smuggling operations in 1978. It’s unclear if they were armed.
Air
Namibia, Botswana, Eswatini & Lesotho
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Ground
- Ram Mk.1 AC: There are claims that both Eswatini and Lesotho operate the Ram Mk.1 Armoured cars however i am yet to find images of them in either hands let alone being armed
Air
- HAL Tejas Mk.1A
Jordan & Iraq
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Ground
- Ferret Stallion: Functionally very similar if not identical to the Ferret M40A1
- BTR-94
- M60A3 Falcon
- Desert Iris (TOW)
- Jordanian Operated Mbombe-6’s
- Al Hussein Hybrid: This is a upgrade package for the Al-Hussein that hybridises it with Jordanian operated M60A3’s as well as adding improvements unique to it as well
Other
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TBA
Sources
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Flying History: Zimbabwe’s Proud Aircraft Tradition - Oryx
Various aviation projects from South Africa | Page 8 | Secret Projects Forum
Rhodesian Hawker Hunter FGA.9 | Secret Projects Forum
South African prototypes, projects, concepts, etc. | Page 46 | Secret Projects Forum
x.com
https://www.aviacionline.com/2023/07/denel-and-aselsan-to-collaborate-on-modernization-of-south-african-rooivalk-attack-helicopters/
https://tanks-encyclopedia.com/south-africa
https://www.defenceweb.co.za/land/land-land/botswana-acquired-300-million-euros-of-french-weaponry-in-2016/?catid=50%3ALand&Itemid=105
https://www.military.africa/2021/02/botswana-receives-additional-mowag-piranha-8x8-armoured-vehicles/
Jordanian Operated Mbombe 6x6
https://www.defenceweb.co.za/land/land-land/adi-to-manufacture-full-range-of-paramount-armoured-vehicles/?catid=50%3ALand&Itemid=105