Yea it’d make more sense for Hungary to receive it first then Yugoslavia
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Trieste was never majority Slovene
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Well, you’re not wrong in that sense. Still, I’m mostly refferring to the region as a whole as it was back then.
What happened after WW1 is just well… Let’s not.
Austro-Hungarian ships as far as Radetzky and Jugoslavija are concerned were not spoils of war.
Again, Naval subtree for Italy would mean giving the opposing side of WW1 the vessels and would go against the wishes, if we talk about history, of the A-H leadership since that is why they were at least on paper transferred to State of SHS. Since you mentioned about being hostile to eachother which State of SHS was not.
As far as some vessels go (I assume you are talking about river monitors and 250T-class) I believe some have place in both trees. Why would it be limited to just one? As I mentioned some are not connected to Hungary in any way.
I hold a belief that Hungary should not get all of the A-H vessels but those they built (There were as you know many) in their own kingdom while part of a dual monarchy.
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Viribus and Radetsky are both flagships of their classes. As per the case of Conte di Cavour ships both should be in either the Hungarian or the Austrian subtree.
Its the Hungarian subtree within Italy, and besides, the Radetzky was officially given to Italy. But again, both are flagships, so with Hungary existing as a subtree it has a place to go, as per gaijin’s standards
I can accept Gaijins standard of giving one or two from a class of ships in which there are multiple, to a country that captured it or received it as spoils of war. But even Gaijin does not hand out flagships to non-manufacturer countries. Or am I wrong? Is there a precedent where Gaijin gave a flagship to a nation in-game that received it IRL as spoils of war, instead of the original owner?
And those same ships you are talking about were not manufactured by Hungary and were handed to State of SHS.
Why does it matter so much whether or not they were flagships.
Instead of Radetzky I could have chosen Zrinyi.
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They were manufactured by the Dual Monarchy of Austria and Hungary. And more importantly, I am still waiting for you to point out a flagship that was given in-game, not to its manufacturer but to an awardee
You do know Dual Monarchy was basically 2 separate states with just some things in common.
You also ignored the fact that those ships we are talking about were GIVEN to the State of SHS.
They were manufactured by Austria, not Hungary except Szent Ivan
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That would make more sense actually. Because that would be in line with the Novorossiysk case.
But the suggestion also has both the Viribus and Radetzky.
And you are ignoring Gaijin’s history of vehicle additions and choices, which is more important than our opinion of history.
paid for by both sides, still Flagships go to their original owners, not awardees.
before the Allies said nuh-uh and officially give them to other nations. Still taking the Novorossiysk case as the standard, only the Zrínyi would be eligible to be added to a Yugo tech tree, but even that is dubious, as the Treaty of Saint-Germain-en-Laye overrides anything else before it.
you stated it is more important than opinion on history but then give historical point about Treaty of Saint-Germaine-de-Laye.
Those ships are there to fill up possible gaps.
Original owner was not Hungary anyway.
It would be truly nice seeing Austria-Hungary being represented as itself in naval setting combined with German air tech tree. I also do not see why would not there be an exception to give Jugoslavija to Yugoslavia about
USSR did not even operate Conte di Cavour ship. They operated Giulio Cesare.
Simply put at the time of making the Tech-Tree there was only up to Rank V and I found fairly eligible vessel for it, Jugoslavija since it was, for really short time due to the bomb, operated by State of SHS proper.
Giulio Cesare was one of three Conte di Cavour-class dreadnought battleships
Italy got the flagship, and months later Russia got one of the remaining two of the same class, which was IRL awarded to them as reparation, officially.
I can accept A-H ships going to a supposed yugo tree IF it is in line with Gaijin’s rules. Even if I don’t like it. But as of now, based on the case of the Conte di Cavour-class, a Yugoslav tech tree has no right to claim the Viribus and the Radetzky.
I agree that having Radetzky/Zrinyi can be a bit of a stretch. It was commanded on its own by Slavic command to escape the Italians. Once.
As per Jugoslavija, that is just more clear cut case to me. It was operated for a really short period of time by the State of SHS directly which existed as intermediate state before becoming part of and creating Kingdom of SHS which almost equals to Kingdom of Yugoslavia.
I believe that if Soviet Union did posses Conte di Cavour herself, it would be still given to them.
I somewhat understand your point currently but we gave to Yugoslavia from what I see that could be given.
thanks for understanding :).
If you have any other suggestions or questions please let us know.
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