Incorrect Gunner placement on the FIAT 6614 and the SPz 12-3 LGS

Both of these vehicles were never designed to have the m40 recoilless rifle mounted, and as such when it was done, the m40 was simply mounted on the roof, without any internal controls arranged.

Additionally, you can clearly see in the in-game model that both vehicles have both the horizontal and the vertical controls positioned outside the vehicle’s hull, so that the gunner would have to expose their upper body to control it. Using the sights on the m40 recoilless rifle would also be impossible to do without partially exposing yourself on both vehicles, as they clearly have the gunner’s sights positioned on the barrel.

The SPz 12-3 LGS also has an adjustable mount for the m40 assembly, where someone could slide it forwards or backwards. This would also further complicate operating the m40 rifle controls from the inside, as then there would clearly have to be a slit in the roof of the hull for the mechanical links, or any potential electrical equipment to move with the m40 recoilless rifle assembly.

Now would this break the tanks?
My opinion is that it would not. Both of these vehicles are meant to be played as lightly armoured manoeuvrable vehicles, meant to flank the enemy, or use hit-and-run tactics. But what actually does happen in war thunder due to this inaccurate and unrealistic gunner placement, is that players use them as hull-down beasts, as the hull cannot be directly hit if the player simply pokes the m40 recoilless rifle over a hilltop or cover, but not the hull. So obviously making the gunner partially exposed by putting the gunner’s upper body next to the m40 assembly-controls would mean that the gunner would be very exposed to enemy fire, which should not be a problem if the player uses the vehicle the way it was meant to be used, and it is only the gunner that is exposed, meaning that the player can still drive back into cover.

As always, thank you for reading!

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So? This game isn’t that realistic anyway

Rather than the matter being realism, I prefer inconsistency. You’ve got vehicles with their gunners turned out (M113 TOW, Pvrbv 551, UDES 33…) and others that aren’t, like the ones mentioned here using the M40, or even other vehicles using the same systems as the others (Wiesel TOW being the best example).

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It will probably require some very complicated animations, I’m not sure if Gaijin is capable of doing such, I wouldn’t mind a change though as in case of Fiat it would probably mean a BR decrease (because exposed gunner would make it even more vulnerable, plus horizontal angles would be cut because of animation limits).
Talking about realistic things, iirc some ATGMs and MLRS should be also controlled outside, plus take a look at roof mounted MGs…

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