just move the b-29 br to 6.3
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What it would fight irl =/= what it should face ingame.
The Pbv 301 was introduced in the '60s, should it be fighting T-55s?
Balance doesnt depend on introduction date, only viecle characteristics.
well then it gets same treatment as the b-29 as it is literally a nearly identical clone of it
What are you saying?? The TU-4 was a copy of the B-29. On top of that it is armed with 23mm(?) cannons. So yeah, there’s a reason it’s a higher br…
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That is actually not true.
Gaijin tries to balance BRs on plain average battle results (= average player, totally independent from actual, so pure technical performance) and “special reasons” like being a premium or not - or “reasons” like coming from county A.
In addition stuff like SL/RP multipliers, airspawn or not and (until last year) extreme repair cost ranges for successful aircraft are used to “balance”. And, ofc, the respective nation (popular or not) and corresponding win rates and the total number of matches played with certain aircraft have an impact.
Bombers in general and particular aircraft like the B-29 are treated otherwise - alone the fact that this topic pops up every few days is a clear indicator for that.
The imho way too high BRs of almost all bombers is a clear sign by gaijin of “don’t play it” or “play it to drop and accept to get killed” - whilst the tendency to have rather low BRs for opposing fighters is aimed to support this approach.
Imho 6.3 or better 6.0 would be justified from a pure game play perspective - but gaijin would accept that a lot of bombers would score reasonable amounts of SL & RP income - ofc not a desired goal for gaijin.
On top of that the average opposing fighter jock lacks the experience and necessary patience to kill a B-29. I mean they struggle to fight Ju 288s and forced gaijin to implement countless open and hidden nerfs of Ju 288s - and a good flown B-29 was 4-5 years ago not a “point and click” target, you needed some brain power to kill them whilst the defensive fire power forced you to outclimb them in order to perform an attack with high access speed.
Especially when the XB-29 was introduced in September 1942 … 🤣🤣
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so, what do you not agree with?
Oh God😂 I’m imagining that is crazy😂
I don’t think the B-29 and TU-4 should go any lower than 7.0
Honestly I could see the B-29 going to 6.7 and the Tu-4 to 7.3 . The B-29 going to 6.7 would allow it to see jet interceptors and prop interceptors like the Ki-83. the Tu-4 was in production by 1947, so it seeing it fight early jets rather then missile armed interceptors would make it much more viable.
totally but 6.3 is totally unrealistic because how would we expect 5.3 planes of its full down tier to do anything against it?
I didnt say 6.3 . I said 6.7. Plenty of 5.7 aircraft have the climb rate to catch the B-29 in the first half of the match. And it would give aircraft tuned for high altitude a reason to climb.
yup but others have suggested 6.3 in this thread sorry didnt make that clear enough i agree with 6.7
Why? The B-29 was fine at 6.3 years ago - i killed enough of them with a 190 D-13. Tu-4 needs to be higher due to higher bomb load and 23mm turrets…
No offense - but this argument is nonsense.
Why?
- Because it is no problem to kill a B-29 with a “real” fighter manned by a competent pilot. Even a plain 109 G-10 was able to kill a B-29, and the G-10 was at 5.3 those davs. The only requirement was brain power.
- Full downtier: Ask a Sakeen/S-199 BR 3.3 pilot what he can do vs a 4.3 Yak-3. The answer is: Nothing.
- So if anybody has problems to kill a B-29 with a prop it is a “you” and not a “they” issue. That’s why i wrote:
Finally:
and:
…are just opinions addressed by fighter mains without the necessary experience in bomber game play (imho actually very limited to zero) to support your opinions with facts.
seeing as I have quite a bit of time in bombers, I think I have a right to make some opinionated arguments. the defensive armaments on the B-29 and the TU-4 are very strong, even at their own BR. I agree that they shouldn’t face missiles, but they mostly would have fought late war props/late war jets, which at its current BR is. where as, if you move it back to 6.3, it faces mostly only props unless in a full up tier. that’s why I argue for 6.7-7.0 bracket, as it would still be able to fight off jets and things, but wouldn’t be attacked by missiles.
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Although you point of view looks reasonable with regards to A2A missiles - you might consider in your view that B-29s fought vs props over Japan - mid 1944 (despite being introduced in 1942 - insider gag).
So positioning them vs actual adversaries and planes developed to fight them (like Ta 152 H-1 or Ki-83 at 6.0) as main opponents makes way more sense with regards to balance the game play. The withdrawal from daylight raids above Korea showed that they have no chance vs a jet if not hitman (video) is flying the B-29…
i just worry that if we lower it that far, the downtiers for it would be so much in its favor that it would greatly affect the balance of that BR
Mate! What balance are you talking about?
I just quote myself from anther thread - dealing with the opposite of this thread (under BRd fighters):
About how easy it is to fly the B-29 in it’s present nerfed state at 7.3 as long as you YOLO into the middle of a ton of fighters? Hah, you’re not sucking me into that one Ham.
no no no. i did not say that.
I said NOT to yolo fly into the middle.
Please read it again.
I literally said to go off to the side so when you turn in you go over all bases in a relatively straight line with hardly any heading adjustments.
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