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Meanwhile, Tu-4 sitting at 8.0.
That does not change anything. They’re both unusable.
Okay, maybe I’m a little slow to understanding this, but how does GRB determine the BR of a bomber?? I don’t feel like it’s used to much there. For fighter/fighter-bombers/attack aircraft I could see it helping determine but I don’t feel as much for bombers. But please explain cuz I might just be super stupid
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Currently, the battle rating for aircraft is determined by both their performance in ARB and GRB (at least for those with reasonable A2G loadouts)
A good example for this is the tornado IDS. The 3 with guided weapons sit at 11.3 but the 2 without are 11.0. but all 5 are identical except for the guided weapons difference.
Bombers, with lots of bombs mean lots of tank kills, and thus a higher BR, especially aircraft like the Lancaster with it’s 12k bomb. In ARB the Lancaster probably needs a major BR reduction with it’s very limited turret coverage and small calibre guns. But it probably needs a BR increase for GRB because the 12k bomb is a mini nuke and can kill LOTS of tanks
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Same here:
Maybe i am completely wrong - but imho i see bombers still in gaijin’s shame corner for killing to much fighters (and airfields = matches) in the past.
I’d rather assume that maybe a Pe-8 will go lower as their FAB 5.000 attacks are spectacular to watch in GRB, but the heavier models in general? I mean it took ages to lower the BR of Sterlings despite they died (and still die) like flies in Air RB.
So if the majority of heavies dies before they have the chance to use the full potential of their bomb loads the high BRs look rather like a “don’t use it” strategy, therefore i would not bet money on significant drops.
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Just forget about the B-29 and Tu-4. They’re too powerful to go any lower, and the introduction of AIM-9B’s sealed their fate forever.
Makes since but how many times do you see bombs, outside of the PE-8 and lancaster, in GRB matches. I see them maybe 1 every 20, 1 every 15 if were talkin b25/tu-2’a and light bombers like that. I do agree tho about the PE-8’S and Lancasters.
OH yeah, its stupid. It makes no sense at all. But I think it still occurs.
Yeah. Still even in ARB, bombs are normally just free kills at most BR’s. If the higher tiered ones are moved down the lower tier plane can’t do as much. Just think about trying to kill B-17 in like a Bf-109E. That’s gonna be a lot harder so I don’t see how some, if not most can be lowered by much, at least to the point of not still being able to see the same aircraft they see now.
Yeah, the only bomber i’d not move is the Ju-288C, All others could probably get a BR reduction of at least 0.7 without any harm. Maybe even more
That deserves to be moved to 12.7 😂
This thing (or TU-4 I don’t remember) fights 8km SARH missiles it physically cannot dodge. It’s very funny I love my Voutor interceptor
In theory yes - but if you see the reality in matches around the Ju 288 bubble - the average fighter pilot will go for the bomber what ever it takes. Either he is a GER/IT fighter noob and is paired with 4 Ju 288s and goes for an ez kill before he got swarmed by undertiered US fighters - or he is an experienced Ta 152 H-1 pilot going to fulfil a daily special task.
I mean another indicator is the treatment of bomber kills in daily special tasks.
If we look at this:
2 bomber kills for 2nd daily task (= 1 match in the right plane)
8 bomber kills for a special task (You need 30 fighter kills for a Special Task)
…you might get the impression that shooting down bombers is:
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Extremely difficult and just a job for really good pilots
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An incentive to kill bombers as faster alternative to get BP points
I genuinely think that Air Realistic Battles can be made better. Imagine having varied missions, asymmetric power distributions, or spawn locations. The maps’ variety means you have detail (i.e., granular tickets, more important mission goals) and can consistently make the experience engaging.
We have a good starting point; this is a dream, but perhaps if you feel missions could use uniqueness, suggest and push for it.
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Most 20mm are way way OP, and they one shot shred heavy bombers in a way that leaves historical reality-based game play in the dust. BF-109’s, FW-190’s, P-400’s, P-39’s etc need to have either their cannons nerfed or the heavy bomber damage model s/b massively buffed.
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That’s what I meant, too.
Yes and no.
This came up a lot with realshatter and I think its less they need “buffed” and more they need to just be improved. The damage models are too simple. With entire sections of the aircraft just one part. for a small fighter this is relatively fine, but scaled up to a heavy bomber and it just doesnt work. Significantly increasing the number of zone on the bomber. Might be all the survivability buff the heavy bombers need.
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Morvan, I seriously couldn’t agree more. However, I don’t know what the coding technical requirements would be as well as how that would end effect computational requirements server side. Also there would be a development cost benefit analysis which may not be economically feasible from Gaijin’s business model. In other words that would subtract from current manpower resources for projects that do make revenue. So maybe they should just nerf the Fighter cannons and give the Bombers a little structural buff. Also, lower the BR and increase the starting altitude.
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Yeah, I’m fairly convinced that Gaijin does not like bombers or strike aircraft as ARB seems to be designed to be bad for them. An RB EC gamemode would be widely welcomed by most. But will likely never appear.
I’m always a tad dubious with “artificial nerfs/buffs for balance” because I never entirely trust they will be equal or fair. But I think a total overhaul of how BRs are calculated for bombers, especially if they remove bomb load from the equation (and the elimination of GRB performance in June) I think a LOT of bombers could find themselves at significantly lower BRs
(Iim rather looking forward to Junes update in this regard and have already started forming arguments for aircraft to get lowered BRs, though most of my attention is for higher tier aircraft like the Buc, Jag and Tornado)
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