yeah for size and variety of capitol ships in ww1 Uk was far ahead of everyone else. wasnt till into ww2 the USA overtook the UK for capitol ships and classes. sure colorado could come but they wont change much. the hull designs are similar still at that point for america vs what they have now and they guns arent bad at asll just slow so colorado will still have the same weaknesses. My point isnt someone else should get stuff instead its just america isnt at this point struggling or behind the curve on content.
Even then the UK and US are evenly matched in terms of laid down and almost laid down ships (Montana and Lion 1944-48)
I mean, Colorado at least would have a decent broadside salvo.
It would still take 40 seconds to reload, yes, but at least it could pack a punch and deal way more severe damage than the early 356mm guns do.
Also, the hull armor was actually thicker, reaching 406mm on the belt
And my point is that, while other nations may lack options to implement ingame, U.S doesn’t. It’s not the same not to add an Italian Battleship because their only option left at this point are the Littorio-Class ships, than not to add an American Battleship when they still got Tennessees and Colorados before North Carolinas, which would be followed up by South Dakotas, Iowas and even potentially Montanas.
Italy, for example; the ONLY option left before the Littorios would be the laid-down Francesco Caracciolo.
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thats ww2 and the battleships in game so far in game are ww1 designs. i think the newest battleship is 1919 or close to that.
again your listing mostly ww2 era battleships while the battle ships in game have all been designed in ww1 or before. britain is missing something like 12 classes still within the current timeline of around 1919
Colorado and Nagato are from the same era… as well as Hood (even a bit more modern, in fact).
And let’s not talk about Scharnhorst, which is the most modern capital warship ingame along with Alaska (except it’s a light years more powerful) and Kronshtadt, a WW2 project.
I don’t know why you keep talking as if we were WW1-capped when we’ve had prewar and WW2 ships for years by now…
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I more mean that Britain and the US are evenly matched right up until we got no more battleships left.
Nagato launched 1919 designed during ww1 and isnt yet in the live game. hood launched 1918. scharnhorst not designed as battleships but battle cruisers and is so in game too, it wasnt designed to go toe to to with other battleships. Alaska a supercruiser or commonly referred to as a battel cruiser, again not to face battleships. Kronshdadt another battle cruiser.
thats why i said battleship every time.
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The “Scharnhorst is a Battlecruiser thing” is an odd technicality.
A Battlecruiser is a ship that is meant to have a Battleship’s firepower in a lighter hull, sacrificing protection, in order to be faster.
Scharnhorst is a 38,000 ton warship with a turtle 105mm-back’d 350mm thick belt; that’s hardly what a Battlecruiser stands for… and before the “280mm guns” argument is brought up- that’s the caliber most WW1 German BBs equipped and that didn’t make them Battlecruisers, did it?
right, it has less armour than its peers of the time, smaller calibre guns then its battleships of the time and was not designed to face battleships but be small and fast enough to avoid battleships. at the time only Britain and Japan were doing 15, everyone else hadn’t escalated yet so was still standard to be 11 to 14 inch for most battleships. Scharnhorst is a ww2 ship and the standard was now 15 for the majority of battleships.
Yes, I imagine that they thought it sounded a lot smarter than saying “thing look like other thing.” Which I would have preferred actually.
It has pointed out to me via a source I don’t yet posses, that these guns do in-fact have a higher than 2 RoF, both pre and post-rebuild.
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Most German battlecruisers had lighter guns for heavier armor.
The reason why milestone ships (Hyuga, Mutsu) are added to Japan is probably due to the lack of ground and air content that can be added through updates.
However, the U.S. has a lot of ground and air content that can be added, so it is possible to keep up appearances without adding ships.
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There are two things that I’m concerned about.
Is it correct that the secondary gun cases have no armor?
Historically, they use the same secondary guns as the Ise and Hyuga, so I would have thought they would have the same amount of armor.
Is it correct that there is no armour at the base of the front screw?
The rear has 50mm armour and it feels odd that it doesn’t have the same protection.
Germany considered it to be a Battleship. Its just the british which referrerd to it as BC. It is, by all means a BB, with weaker guns, though. The protection was excellent, by far not BC-like. During Great War most ger BBs had 280mm guns. Since this was the first construction after, they continued with that scheme. Probably cause they had alot expierience with these guns and they were already aviable. It was planned to upgun the Scharnhost class to 380mm, though.
While Hood, Renown, Repulse etc. were in fact designed as BCs with characteristically weak protection.
Here an old, historical sketch from 1942. Bad pic…but you see ‘Schlachtschiff’ (battleship) Scharnhorst.
The last German Battlecruiser must have been the SMS Hindenburg from 1917. Hard to grasp why alot ppl insist to know it better. Thats the last one, with 26.000 tons definetly BC sized. There simply was no German BC after that, except for some laid down successors, which weren’t fully completed.
The SMS Mackensen with 35cm guns wasn’t completed anymore. Same for the upgunned 38cm BC’s of the Mackensen class. Those where just laid down and scrapped after the war.
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It would be nice if Yamato was added in the next update.
Slow down, Japan already got a Nagato and Germany is getting their 3rd Bayern after Scharnhorst…
It’s time for other nations to catch up, particularly Italy, Fr*nce and even U.S!
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Fortunately for every other tree, we are miles off
Britain and France don’t even have a 7.0 BB the US BB’s are bad, the Italians have a chronic lack of ships.
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Hood was the best protected battleship in the world when it went into service. It was not designed to have weak armour. British doctrine for a battle cruiser was mainly speed. If it’s 31 knotts capable it was a battleship. Later guns of 15inch were considered battleship calibres and anything less was battlecruisers. And a battleship should be intended to engage other battleships directly scharnhorst wasn’t intended to engage battleships but have the speed to run away and avoid battleships but the speed and firepower to take on everything smaller. It fits the battle cruiser role and definition better.
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Already brought it up here, and basically got stonewalled over it.