I might do it to those 2 dude in specific,thanks for the tip
Bumping for increased base cost on first spawn cas as i was just in a match where someone with 1 base cap J out of their tank to go bomb people
My suggestion is to reduce the point price of fox 3 on all jets.
0 use other than AA, it’s not CAS
If you CAS your job becomes 100% harder when you are forced to go defensive to shake a fox3
Another is to reduce the price of fighters at top tier by 100-200 pts and increase all bombs and rockets price by that much. If you get bombed in a tank, you can revenge hunt CAS.
Because if jets are the counter to helis/jets, then let people revenge spawn a counter. This helps players grind AA too.
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You don’t even have to cap or kill anoyne. Few scouts/assists are enough. This my post somewhere above: If you could, how would you re-balance CAS in Ground Battles? - #2586 by AlanHR
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Not to mention spaa operate in batteries. That would never happen in WT.
Same with bombers - they don’t attack individually. They operate in formation and with air escorts. We do not see that in WT.
As you say - WT is only (somewhat) realistic on the vehicle level.
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No, Fox-3s are well priced rn.
That’s simply a bad incentive and only leads to bigger issues and more toxicity.
People already let me farm kills on em in my Mustang Mk.ia by respawning into CAP or SPAA after I already strafed em once, then immediately getting blasted with Hispanos.
Warthunder would be better as a whole if we had whole batteries of SPAA and whole flights or even whole squadrons of CAS, rather than just a pair of CAS v.s one or two SPAAs.
No they aren’t. They’re essentially free for all CAS because you are already paying the fox3 point cost with ATGMs. CAP is a counter to CAS which is a “win more button”
chad CAS bro:
Get one or two kills and a cap.
Buy plane with expensive kill more missiles
virgin CAP bro:
got a cap in his tank but got killed
got killed again by chad CAS bro
spawn virgin CAP with no fox 3’s
Now it’s fox 3 chad CAS vs virgin fox 1 CAP over the AA covered map
The incentive is to reduce CAS supremacy by increasing air opposition. In this case my suggestion was for GRB.
That is the point of this thread, how to rebalance CAS in ground battles.
Lol, lmao. Yet another rare Pangolin had a point reply. CAP is fine having lower costs to win a Ground Realistic Battle.
why 200km?
this is completely unrealistic
It was ironic…there is no MBT that can counter heli and planes better than IFVs with proxy or SPAAs
Although true IFV are better option, a good portion of Abrams do carry HEAT-MP that explodes near healis. No idea why some cannot take the time and destroy one. I have the M1A1 AIM, but without a line up so I barley play it. Not used to the tank either lol 34% WR ugh. But yea, lots of tanks with HE-VT rounds these days or Leopards with time delayed with rangefinders too. VVC-80/60, downed a good amount of helis with the HE-VT round.
Im positive many don’t do it due to not caring about CAS. They let it happen by giving up.
On the side note, im sure Tanks like the Type 10 is capable of locking onto tanks and air targets and giving them a lead shot. Unfortunately Gaijin didn’t give that to them or other modern tanks that capability. Would definitely help a lot to use the HEAT-PM or Time delay shells for MBTs.
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what SPAA can hit a heli properly from 200km away?
not to mention an IFV, please be realistic dude
The abrams HEAT-MP round proximity was nerfed recently
Still ironic…damn dude now youre ragebaiting “again”
Even tho,in the future who knows,we might get the S300VM which it was been reported to have 200 km range at least
More or less,we are still in range,how precise?Who knows
Or the S400 Thriumph or the chinese HQ-9Bs
Or even the old SA-5 Gammon would do
THAAD system for USA
David’s Sling system for Israel
MIM 104 Patriot system for USA
Aester 30 Samp/t for France/Italy
Even tho doesnt even reach 150 km its still 100+ km which its pretty decent
MAEDS system for USA/Germany/Italy
Barak-8 for Israel/India
Iron Dome system for Israel
Side note : we could get the same SPAAs copy pasted on the nation lacking the same level of SPAA,for example as USA have Israeli Merkavas (I still dont know why they put them into the US lines),same thing for SPAAs,just shove another nation SPAA
All of these could get implement the right way
Existing SPAA sites hidden from the map like the SAM sites on the game mode Gaijin released back then to test something
or
Drivable vehicles can be placed somewhere further than the main the map (Talking about top tier in this case we could potentially get larger maps so the idea aint completely bad)
At around 9.3 BR IFVs tend to be more dangerous for planes than SPAAs
Cough cough Begleitpanzer*
little by little more SPAAs are being added along with IFVs with potential to take out air targets. We still lacking some SAM/SPAA systems from Thailand with Japan. Now we have a Chu-SAM of 80km range lol Gotta see if it’ll work though or buggy like the Tan-Sam.
Players should be encouraged to fight the enemy, not specific players. Encouraging revenge CAP/SPAA is just bad, and 99% of the time just gives the CAS free kills, and thus more SP to spawn more CAS.
Tho i have to say,2 of SPAA systems i said were mainly a missile protection rather than actual SPAA
And to be honest,it wont be a bad idea to have a system like that,that will try to shoot down missiles and bombs from CAS players
You know what would be cool to see? If Gaijin is listening, maybe have it where there is an extra capture zone we have to capture (The D Point) that contains Iron domes that only activates when its captured by friendly or foe and can detect incoming missiles, bombs, rockets to destroy them (ignoring the CAS players, only shoots ammunitions)
Be a nice change in pace for GRB top tier. Pretty sure this was where you were going with.
Playing with a friend over the weekend and in his words.
“I really want a tank only mode, because every time you get engrossed in a one v one with another player and really start to enjoy the fight wham! a bomb or missile lands on your head! F airplanes”
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Maybe they will
They were too focused on infantry,we got vehicles that were asked countless time
(Terminator for example)