This is it, the f3h is better at sparrowing than the phantom C. Not only it is one of the best dogfighters below rank 8 (despite those trying hard to convince you of otherwise, no, rate-fighting is not the only way of dogfighting) it also can use radar below clutter. Had it been an F-4E and it wouldn’t have had a single chance.
F3H? From 9.0 to 10.0??
A subsonic jet with a reheater?
You believe it deserves to receive a full 1.0BR nerf?
In the same BR as the F-4C or Mirage IIIC?
Higher BR than T-2, MiG-21SPS-K??
0.7 BR lower than the infamous F-5C???
Because you failed to evade the AIM-7C?
Then what is next? Claiming the Harrier GR.3/AV-8C needs to be 10.7 BR and tie with the SHAR FRS.1 (Early) since it has no difference between the AIM-9G and AIM-9L when you don’t have flares?
Look, mate. F3H used to be 9.3BR before supersonic compressed BR like hell, and it might be a decent 9.0BR jet, but a full BR nerf?
In fairness for this. Aim-7C have gone from easy to evade with or without warning, to extremely hard to evade even with warning and not a lot has an RWR at that BR, so you might have no warning at all.
(took the Canberra Mk6 out and instantly got killed by one, due to clouds, didnt even see it fire)
This is a rare Mantis post that actually has some basis of fact. I dont think 9.7 at least would be totally unreasonable right now. (Tbh, ive always considered them under BRed and thought 9.3 would have been better for it) I have no idea how you could actually play something like the Lightning F6 at the moment because I doubt you would survive for very logn with the normal high alt tactics
F4C has a better radar, better missile, & better flight model.
You were at mid-altitude and flying straight.
I might agree if the nerfing was done step by step, such as 9.0->9.3->9.7
But claiming a direct nerf straight to full +1.0BR, and claiming ‘F3H is better at sparrowing than F-4C’ seems wild and beyond my borderline to agree with.
Just like
Everyone knows Su-30MK needs to be nerfed
but claiming it sends up straight forward to 14.7 is another can of worms.
Okay, didnt read that bit, yeah that is nonsene, but the F3H is definetly going up next BR change it has too.
Yeah, it might go up at the next BR change, but, well, Mantis overdid it. again.
AIM-7C is actually a menace now
if the AIM-7C isnt nerfed (i have an inkling its been overbuffed a fair bit), i can see the F3H going to 9.3 maybe 9.7 at a stretch, as its flight performance isnt that bad either
As I discussed with Morvran, I can understand nerfing itself
But claiming F3H needs to be a straight-up 10.0 and tie with the F-4C/Mirage IIIC seems like peak Mantis cope.
Just like the Su-30MK analogy.
He just posted about the F3H on a knee-jerk basis. :/
There are another F3H topic which disguised as a ‘CA-27 thread’…
Hunter is 10.0 then yes.
Somethings are best off leaving alone. It was already fun with meme missiles. Now its way too good
Great 9.0. Dusty at 10.0.where it now has to go.
F16s fox 1 to fox 3 12.7- 13.3
Same vibes- massive upgrade of missiles
Game is a fat stinking mess when Hunter is worse and sits dead at 10.0.
Mantis is right it needs yeeting
10.0 wayyy tooo high, 9.7, sure
two of them, actually
He locked you while you were at around 3km alt. Radars can usually get a clear enough return to lock even while looking down. I do the same with the f4e.
Once you dropped lower, below 2km, the lock gets more iffy. He was probably on the verge of losing the lock right before it hit.
you flew in a straight line downwards, thats one of the easiest possible kills for a missile ever. also too high in alt for you to ever be lost in ground clutter
F3H is strong with sparrow buffs but that was entirely you
It is not better than a phantom either
Tracked him the whole time btw as he passed underneath me 90 degrees
Look at altitude, look at his range on my radar. Do the math on where he’s at and what my radar was doing.
transonic :')
It should be about 9.3-9.7 currently at minimum. Do you disagree?
This takes a full year to do 2 steps… sometimes you have to do 2 steps at a time
No, I agree about nerfing F3H itself.
I am disagreeing with Mantis’s Ridiculous hyperbole take.
Sir, with due respect, did you completely miss the discussion between Morvran and me?
“F3H throwing Sparrows better than F-4C or E, so it need to be 10.0BR”
pff…
Full three steps +1.0BR nerf is overdoing.
