thats why i was one of the people asking for the APDS to get removed. britain doesnt get a semi usable SPAA from 4.0 (skink is a cruel joke to use) so really needs something
Ive been using the 6.7 ratel 20 as a budget AA lol
Hence the proposal in this thread for a non-radar, no APDS Falcon in addition to the radar Falcon we are now receiving.
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No you shall receive falcon with no apds and no radar
Gaijin has decided
Thank you for your report
Yeah, now im 100% sure this whole drama is a one, giant promotional campaign for Sebbo Falcon early suggestion :P
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The BR was not going to be changed even if the radar was rejected this major. The BR would have only changed at the next BR review if its performance showed as such. Which can still occur with the radar too.
The performance was previously high due to the APDS.
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Also, this is going to do absolutely nothing at making the Falcon more “SPAA-like”. It still has the SAPHEI, it still nukes tanks, and since even with a radar it’ll stay inferior to the Marksman and the ZA-35 as an SPAA, it’ll stay a TD in most ways but name.
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But why is a radar being added, despite there being no evidence of it ever being on the prototype?
Since its a sole tracking radar and not a search radar, its purpose would be comparable to the Optical-Tracker / Auto-Lead Angle + Laser Rangefinder that the vehicle actually had.
I believe that this would be a much better addition, not just for historical accuracy but also for providing the vehicle a suitable compensation for the removal of the APDS rounds (which to be fair were ahistorical to begin with).
As reference, here’s an OEM Brochure for Falcon listing what I stated above;
According to sources, a radar could be fitted, but naturally was not on the prototype.
As to why, it was both reported and suggested by the community.
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If it’s been sufficiently established that the prototype did not in fact have a radar, it should be a priority to get the Falcon (Prototype) in-game as a playable vehicle following the finalisation of the radar Falcon.
It could not be an easier addition for the devs, given it is literally the exact same vehicle as we currently have in game.
Well the Falcon would never drop to 6.7. 7.7 at the lowest.
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Well, remember that you guys essentially set out the basis of discussion by announcing the addition of a radar in the br-changes spreadsheet.
As such, it is not that surprising for people to request and ask about exactly that.
Reports that a radar was present/considered dont really mean a whole lot when said presence has been disproven.
A radar was considered/offered on similar vehicles/proposals far predating falcon aswell, yet none of these ever received it. Flakzwilling Z30 never received it, nor did a proposal for the swedish Pbv 302 do (which had a different layout proposed anyway tbf)
So I am again asking why the optical tracker + associated LRF arent being added instead, as they’re more historically accurate and fullfill the same purpose and/or in the case of the LRF provide the vehicle with additional capabilities the sole addition of a radar tracking director wouldnt offer.
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A report has been made for the LRF, but not the optical tracker as far as im aware. Whereas one was for the radar.
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/SXHi6awMTul4
This report was labeled as not a bug because the laser rangefinder hasnt been added to the vehicle yet.
The report on the missing LRF was already forwarded.
Even the “radar” is ambiguous. I have seen people claiming it is a ranging radar, search radar or a tracking one. This thing should drop to 7.7 in all cases but if it gets just a dumb search radar, might drop to 7.3 as well
This is for the equivalent of radar tracking, not optical track. If thats perhaps what you intended to say.
Optical track requires more equipment than just a LRF and is found on much more modern vehicles.
The vehicles radar will facilitate these festures anyway.
I dont think i said that lol
Didn’t say you did.
Just was making that statement in general.
I assume I am misinterpreting the source then? Is it perhaps referring to inertial “tracking” utilizing the rangefinder for adjusting the automatic lead with corresponding ballistic compensation like UTAAS on the Strf/CV 90s?
You’d be correct the way its described in the brochure for optical track is much like inertial tracking.
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