I’m gonna agree on the report being meh
However, a tow penetrates through the roof, there is no ERA here, that missiles goes over its target, not through it like say a HOT
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I’m suspecting you aren’t reading carefully, let me quote myself for you.
Yes, so if the spalling is right, it should burst into the turret and spread out across what it can. It probably is killing the crew before it ever reaches the ammo, and the breech is easily eating up 25% or more of the pattern, which given the proximal distance to the explosion, will actually shield a good portion of the carousel.
Its is not the problem, if others surivev with same rate. And to make it a problem you need to proof that they arent. And thats where you fail.
Because now you making claims like people, who fighting against airplane travels. “BUT IN THIS CRASH 300 PEOPLE DIED! WHY YOU WANT COMPARISON WITH OTHER TYPE OF TRANSPORTS? WHY YOU DONT SEE HOW DANGEROUS AIRPLANES ARE?”
Spalling for a HEAT warhead is not the same than for an APFSDS, we’re comparing apples and oranges here.
There’s two problems.
- BVM in the video is detonated by repeated spalling damage
- Black Knight is detonated by a “collateral shot” where more than one propellant charge is destroyed by the main penetrator, not the spalling.
Does that help you at all? Your data is invalid. Everyone else is getting the picture and at least dedale is actually interested in approximating accurate testing of the game.
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Working on it. First session got interrupted due to server connection for friend, but will record another.
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It is documented. Personnal experiences aren’t.
More data may be necessary, but the “documenting your search” is here, even if perfectible
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Also agreed, but my point still stands. If anything it makes the report/instance even worse IMO, especially against the tanks with upgraded composites, let alone ERA (T-55AM-1, T-62M-1, T-72A after the armor upgrade, T-64B, and beyond).
Wait I think we got confused here.
I’m not advocating for HEAT to pen the ERA, if the ERA is effective enough (and HEAT has no business at top tier anyway, but that’s an other topic).
I’m just saying that the HEAT spalling pattern is different than APFSDS, the cone is narrower. Therefore a HEAT warhead through the roof can miss a crew member but still hit some ammo :
APFSDS :
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Nope, I agree with you here entirely.
Finally some progress…
37 deaths, 5 charges yeeted, maybe 1 undetonated round from a hit video will show.
So 42 or 43 shots fired hitting ammo using 3BM46. 12 - 14% survival rate.
Video will be edited into this post when it’s finished.
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I haven’t done stochastics seriously in a decade, cause it’s not something I take interest in, so pardon me for forgetting the specific word [jargon] for it.
You never corrected my math on stochastics cause I didn’t do math on percentages, I made a hypothesis on the math WT uses based on known experience.
If it’s true that means WT doesn’t use stochastics, and if not true then WT does use stochastics.
That’s all I said, we’ve always agreed on the math itself.
Apologies for my harsh replies.
It it possible for you to use DM53? The angle of spalling from 3BM series is much greater than DM on russian vehicles. To keep experiment consistent. Thx
No, because my friend only has T-80U, so he had to shoot my BVM.
Video progress:
Alright. I’ll wait for video. If results are different from my test, we can schedule for practice room, 30 shots to side and 30 to ammo for both bvm and 2a6.
What does the code say about single piece ammo like DM53? Same detonation chance? How is the spalling going to be induced?
It’s based on tank, not specific ammo.
So it’s 0.15 on Leopard 2s, and still 0.15 on T-series.
Ah, okay. So how do you plan on spalling the rack?