Company not the US government
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And the same goes for Rafael (Israel). Why would it go to Israel if they were not interested in the system, as stated by the OP, AND your argument being “company not the x goverment”, because the Israeli goverment did not make this system, but rather Rafael + General Dynamics did.
By all accounts it deserves to be in the US tree as well, and there should be a poll option for it (Israel + US).
Rafael was the main developer of this vehicle, GD just chimed in the Mk.15 Phalanx and added compatibility to the other systems. The HVSD/ADAMS is based on the ADAMS, the latter being a lone project of Rafael.
This is an Israeli vehicle first and foremost, I do agree that its inclusion in the US tree should be considered as it was indeed offered to the US MoD which rejected it. I will not open a poll here because this section of the forums is for Israeli vehicles. If Gaijin at all consideres the HVSD/ADAMS (was passed to devs already a year ago), than it is up to the devs wherever the US gets it or not.
All I ask for is that the US gets the HVSD/ADAMS with the export insignia mark (like the French one on the ItO 90M in the French tree, for example), and Israel gets the HVSD/ADAMS without the david shield insignia in the name.
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GD supplied the Mk.15 Phalanx, Rafael was the one to put it together and display it in air shows (as far as I know, at least).
However, it is worth to mention that the HVSD/ADAMS was offered for the US MoD, but was rejected.
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The ideal top-tier Israeli SPAA. +1
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By the way, if you wonder what is the 2nd SPAA that could be added to Israel when I said:
I refered to the I-Dome:
This thing is basically a mobile version of Iron Dome. We don’t have IRL images of it, but it defenetly exists as it had an official brochure and is mentioned plenty in Rafael’s website. I will make a suggestion on it if we discover an IRL image.
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Sure could be cool!
It wasn’t really co-developed, the american side contributions design wise were very minimal, only offering some tech. Similar to how many modern tanks (Russian, Ukrainian, etc) use french thermal imagers
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No, that isn’t similar at all. It would be like if the French provided the cannon and breech for a T-series tank, as the Phalanx is a MASSIVE part of the HVSD/ADAMS’ capabilities, not something relatively “irrelevant” like thermals.
The fire control system of a tank is pretty relevant tbh
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Better? Maybe.
Itll have s fully unique playstyle. USA doesnt have anything SHORAD missile related besides Aim9x, and 114Ls and AMRAAMs
The CRAM would be awesome
Update: thanks to @ミーナ we have slightly more information on the surface-to-air missile used by the HVSD/ADAMS
It appears that there is a surface-to-air-optimized version of the shipborne Barak-1, called ADAMS. It seems to be largely similar to the original Barak-1.
We also learned that the max G pull of Barak-1 and ADAMS is 45G, which is rather impressive.
9/1/2024 edit:
I forgot to mention that this brochure also confirms the HVSD/ADAMS can fire its SAMs on the move. With all the recent information, I believe it’s safe to say the HVSD/ADAMS is superior to the Pantair S1.
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Where is the Spyder AIO topic?
Anyway, new year, new me (it):
https://twitter.com/MoDIsrael/status/1745083436698636480?s=20
Quite a bit more powerful than anything we have in-game. Definitely would be a good addition but with 12 exceptional missiles and a Phalanx, it’d be 12.0 or 12.3 material, especially with ACLOS (as it should be implemented). Compare it to the missile systems discussed here with 4 similar missiles and no guns, which people seem to agree would be at least 11.3. I think a Spyder SR (Python 5) would be more balanced for 11.7.
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Then Israel would have a gap between 9.7 and 11.7 that cannot be filled. That’s not an acceptable solution.
Gaijin could just stop at the Tunguska, Flakawaka, and XM1069 - but instead it decided to add the Pantsir so now it has no choice but to add equivalents to other nations. And if those equivalents are more powerful then so what? Some nations are already far more powerful than others. It won’t be a greater gap than the one between Pantsir and Machbet, so it’s okay.
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Two wrongs don’t make a right. Making a new nation even more overpowered isn’t balance. Shame on you.
Looks like this is a prototype, but I’d rather not go off-topic here.
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The HVSD/ADAMS does not have to come with ACLOS right away, iirc there are already SPAAs ingame that should be able to operate on ACLOS.
Also, the type of SPYDER does not determine what missile it uses, both the SPYDER SR and SPYDER-AIO can use I-Derbys, tho the SPYDER MR and SPYDER LR get access to special versions of the Python 5 and I-Derby which are equipped with boosters.
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Israel is not overpowered in any aspect.
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+1, definitely needed to help Israel be competitive
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