If they don’t want to give us DU armor it’s… ok (not). Then give us the upgraded hull front armor starting with the M1A1 HA/HC which should bring the hull front armor to 500-600mm RHAe vs KE.
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M1A1 hull front armor weighs 3,115lbs.
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M1A1 HA hull front armor weighs (Unknown).
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CATTB hull front armor was not upgraded over a unspecified M1A1 (M1A1 HA) and weighs 4,060lbs.
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If the CATTB’s hull front armor is the same as the M1A1 HA, the M1A1 HA hull front armor weighs 4,060lbs.
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“As of 1989, the frontal armor of the M1 tank has risen to 1000-1200mm RHA against shaped charge and 500-600mm against kinetic energy projectiles” which tank was in development in 1989? The M1A1 HA.
The M1A1 HA (1989) clearly has upgraded armor over the M1A1, or they installed a new 945lbs radio inside the hull front armor module?
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Gaijin addressed this source.
So I would say that you might be able to justify inclusion of the hull composite.
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ah sweet, its 176 in the document but page 188 in the pdf thats why i couldnt find it
Daniel already provided more.
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Never trust digital page numbers as a heads up for research.
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@Stona_WT so you want to tell us that those 5 abramses in tank school have armor that is worth more than 100 million of usdollars? Only FY2004 states 89.7 Million dollars for hull uparmoring :D
And i was thinking that leclercs were expensive, while only hull armor for abrams costs 20 mil bucks XD
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The point of this is the usual point.
Marketing brochures make claims, which are technically true in very limited circumstances.
Is it at all possible a stinger can pull 22g? Yeah probably, but since Gaijin AFAIK implements single axis G pull in a more general sense, then they can turn around and disagree with it.
Plane G load is a good example, because those use sets of curves giving you a lot more information and they specify fuel loads, various altitudes etc. It’s a comprehensive set of information.
“Can pull 22g” is a statement which needs some more context to be usable.
If you want historical accuracy, then give it the M829A3 from SEPv2. If you think the M829A3 affects game balance or is unimportant, then give the DU armor back to the M1 series. If you don’t want to give M1A2 new shells or armor, then please lower the weight of M1A2 and above. I think the gaijin team just needs a reason to refuse to strengthen the US land combat technology tree, rather than considering the problem from a real or balanced perspective. As a game developer, this game development team is undoubtedly unqualified or failed.
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You guys have some audacity to try to place this as a source when it absolutely doesn’t even go up to your “standards” of historical reports.
Nowhere on this document is the M1 variant specified, nowhere does it say “M1A2 SEP V1” or “M1A2 SEP V2”, if this document had pointed at DU inserts on the hull, you would have very much denied it. As far as anyone is concerned this document could be talking about the M1A2 base variant.
This is just a fallacy, just because you don’t see a massive increase in mass does not mean DU inserts were not placed, you can’t just assert that. Usually in these engineering projects, specially when it comes to heavy vehicles that require certain upgrades that would at the base significantly increase the mass, other parts are optimized, there are a thousand ways to reduce weight by switching materials, using new forms of conception and geometries that reduce volume without increasing internal stresses, obviously this isn’t cheap but there’s a reason why the SEP program is worth hundreds of millions of dollars…
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Clancy making a guess that some parts of the front probably contain DU isn’t very convincing.
Note he uses “hull” in the third instance to describe the metal surrounding the composite, not the hull of the tank.
Off top of my head there was briefly a period where they were looking into swapping the hull armor back-plates with titanium alloy to save weight. I don’t think we’ve ever seen the Army confirm they in fact did that though. We know they swapped the blowout panels and the gunner sight cover with titanium though.
In the same way you can’t assert the opposite. More expensive armour isn’t necessarily having higher RHAE vs KE/CE. Neither is newer armour. Nor “improved” or a newer “generation”
There are a thousand ways to make “improvements” to the armour that have nothing to do with increasing RHAE vs KE/CE. You could make it cheaper, or make it easier to maintain.
This is a good example since it doesn’t make the armour have thicker RHAE vs KE/CE but makes it able to resist more consecutive shots whilst being less degraded by each impact.
Improved, but not having a thicker RHAE.
How does it need more context it literally says it can pull 22g? 😂
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He’s proven himself illiterate and incapable of logic. I wouldn’t give him any more attention or time. His mental gymnastics are tired and already defeated.
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the USA use fairy dust in their tanks to make them heavier
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It’s intentional too. I see so many replies like this trying to completely dismiss FACTS and evidence. It’s honestly delusional.
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I thought they just tore the tag off a couple mattresses so they’d fit in the crew compartment.
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I’m pretty sure it’s the 2 ton commander chair…
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their balls are made of steel that’s why its so heavy their in a tank with no armor fighting T90Ms
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