M1A1 Armor // Gaijin.net // Issues
Already had one passed earlier go hit the button.
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That was hilarious. The US military even used screen shots of WT
That is Irrelevant to my comment. Never less interesting however i wouldn’t say better.
I didn’t actually see any photo in the references that were from War Thunder. One looks like a model in blender and some pictures are just drawn art like the one of the M1A1 by Vincent Wai.
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is anyone else kinda pissed that the reload “balance” requires over 1M silver lions AND GE to get the full benefit?
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they closed that thing immediately, bud. Sorry
Almost like I mentioned that in my Tiktok, but I love seeing the hard data. Tango mike.
With respect, Torpitz, this was found to be a Photoshop. The turret doesn’t match the hull.
The closest one to a realtime Frankentank is the 4th Brigade’s T-72B1 turret on a T-72B3 hull with T-62 roadwheels.
Excuse me??? How is an OFFICAL MILITARY WEBSITE NOT ADEQUATE
Explain to me how this website is not “credible” due to errors.
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I asked Bowie about this about a year ago and this is their official reasoning. It’s a 3rd party source hosted on .mil/gov and therefore not reliable.
I don’t agree with it but it’s what’s they said and I’m sure they use sources worse than this for some tanks.
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Odin is weird in that they tend to scrape a lot of things from random places.
I have on occasion stumbled across descriptions of weapons which were clearly lifted from Wikipedia and they didn’t even bother to scrub the now dead annotations.
And some of it has been removed but as mentioned they have on multiple occasions ripped bits from WT’s wiki for weapons.
Like if they don’t have something you can email them and request they add it.
To request equipment be added to the WEG, email the TRADOC G-2 OE & Threat Analysis Directorate WEG Analyst Richard Garcia at @@@@@
They also provide an incomplete list of sources used.
WEG Sources
The following is a sample list of the different sources used to create Worldwide Equipment Guided (WEG) sheets and is not a comprehensive list:
Air Power Australia (http://www.ausairpower.net/)
Armada Media (https://armadamedia.com/)
Army Guide (http://www.army-guide.com/)
Army Recognition (https://www.armyrecognition.com/)
Army Technology (https://www.army-technology.com/)
C4ISRNET (https://www.c4isrnet.com/)
Command: Modern Air Naval Operations (https://cmano-db.com/)
Defense Tech (https://www.defense-technology.com/)
Global Security (https://www.globalsecurity.org/)
Intelink (https://www.intelink.gov/my.policy)
Jane’s (https://www.janes.com/)
Military & Aerospace (https://www.militaryaerospace.com/)
Military Balance (The Military Balance 2024)
Military Equipment Guide (https://www.military.com/equipment)
Military Factory (https://www.militaryfactory.com/)
Military Periscope (https://www.militaryperiscope.com/)
Military Today (http://www.military-today.com/)
National Defense (https://www.defense.gov/)
Navy Recognition (https://www.navyrecognition.com/)
Naval Technology (https://www.naval-technology.com/)
Radar Tutorial (Radartutorial)
Rand Corporation (https://www.rand.org/)
Ritchie Specs (https://www.ritchiespecs.com/)
SDDCTEA Joint Equipment Characteristics Database (https://www.sddc.army.mil)
Shepard Media (https://www.shephardmedia.com/)
Sinodefense (https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/)
SpaceWar (https://www.spacewar.com/)
Strategic Bureau of Information on Defense Systems (Strategic Bureau of Information)
As much as I would love to use some of their stuff for bug reports I can’t say it’s not dissimilar to quoting wikipedja or actually guarantee that said data actually came from the government and wasn’t the result of an employee googling.
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Ahhh so unfortunate. Didn’t know it was like that.
There goes your ticket for the steam awards LMFAO
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Something to add for a new bug report:
Some Abrams Hull Armour reports on upgrades. (Source from where the pictures are in the comments from OP)
M1A2 Sep Armour Justification WITH DECLASSIFIED RECEIPTS (wtf am I doing with my life)
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Regarding Nuclear Regulatory Commision:
What has been missed here is that Gaijin Source is the basis for Amendment No.9 which was shown:
Department of The Army, Request to Amed License SUB-1536. (nrc.gov)
Amendment No. 9 to Department of the Army to License No. SUB-1536. (nrc.gov)
Amendment number 9 extends Gaijins source til 2016.
Here is why the US army chose not to add DU armor to the Hull:
The Abrams is a relatively low vehicle being 10cm lower than the Leopard 2 while having a slightly taller turret, to achieve this they had to recline the driver which meant he would take up more space in the length of the vehicle. The positive was lower hull weight which meant more armor on the Abrams, same with the turbine, lower weight meant more weight for armor, the Abrams had armor all along the turret side compared to the Leopard which only had in the front 50degree of crew compartment otherwise only 23mm AP protection.
However the trade off is that after they had added decent protection to the front hull it is suspended in front of the suspension:
Impact of Loading Distribution of Abrams Suspension on Track Performance and Durability (dtic.mil)
When adding the DU armor to the front turret they already overloaded the front road wheels carrying 1.3 to ~2 times as much weight as the read road wheels.
Remember that a lever multiplies the force exerted on an object:
Simple Machines:Levers - YouTube
So adding a very dense material up front is not just increasing the total weight of the tank its multiplying the load the suspension has to deal with.
To maintain manuverability you have to make sure the weight is centered as best you can otherwise trench crosing etc. takes a sever hit. Not to mention wear and tear on drivetrain and suspension
To deal with the increased weight of the turret multiple suspension updates have been made but the turret is carrying by the road wheels the hulls armor is offset, which is why the US Army tested with extra weight but ultimately decided against adding alot of it, as we see in th NRC paper.
Here is an example of one of the test vehicles black in the 80ties :
See how much they added to the rear of the turret and hull to balance out the front.
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but also changes it. “License number SUB-1536 is renewed in its entirety to read as follows:” meaning TO READ, as in will now instead be.
“maximum amount that licensee may possess at any one time under this license: A. as needed”
meaning limit of 5 hulls removed.
"A. and B. For use (excluding repair or maintenance) and storage of tank turrets and hulls as
Depleted Uranium armor components of Abrams M1 series tanks. "
and then we also have this:
suspension was upgraded to take heavier weight.
actual model name and specific upgrade.
Years of implementation
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I dont know if this is reliable enough
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“nothing here”. Was it removed?
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