Yeah. I figured that out when trickzzter openly said that but nooo everyone wants to argue that DU is in the hull.
Russia*
Higher density would mean that more dense materials are used in the armor. Notable heavy metals used in weapon design are depleted uranium and tungsten carbide.
Regarding the quotes, you can clearly see that I said “you CAN have…” not that you do have. That is, the statement was general and not related to the Abrams. It was to demonstrate that there is usually very little correlation between armor thickness and armor effectiveness vs KE.
They came up with them for the DU turret inserts they implemented. They invented a lot of values for tanks with classified values.
The DU inserts is how we prove they aren’t doing what they say. Even when we give them values, they deny it.
How are you going to work on the Swedish trial values issue if they’ve already denied every estimate provided? DU or otherwise?
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That’s annoying. I understand why though, because otherwise it would just let people make stuff up and submit it and be like “yes this is the armor”
But we’re getting to the point (and tbh have been there for years) where there isn’t going to be specific numbers for anything because all the stuff is too new and is still classified. So it’s either this changes but requires very very strict rules to apply or the Abrams armor doesn’t change because “they never added it” or whatever.
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@Stona_WT For the sake of transparency and putting to rest the claims of Russian bias, why don’t you publish the Gaijin team’s conversations surrounding the technical specs of all the rank VII-VIII ground vehicles for the US and the USSR? I’d be particularly interested to see what level of scrutiny Gaijin employed when analyzing sources for the development of the 2S38.
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Britain duh. America is the better money printer.
Lol, LMAO even
Yes absolutely
The current turret armor values for the 2nd gen du inserts are made up by gajin. You played yourself
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I wonder how will gajin implement m1a2 sepv3 with its NGAP (next generation armorn package). Sooner or later itll happen. Will this tank get 1979 hull too?
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Yes, the armor package doesnt actually exist. All they did was super glue another 3 tons of weight to the crew.
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Yes and trophy system is just loud speakers to blast some music while bored on the battlefield
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Here’s some basic know-it-all-all info. When the United States exports a vehicle we remove classified components in the fear of our enemies potentially capturing it in the field and using that said armor against us in reverse engineering. Any Abrams tank in a certain event which I will not name but everyone knows what I’m referring to. As an example of this, the DU armor was removed when it was exported. If you rely on information based in another country to which the vehicle was exported it will lack several different components that the one in the United States will have. This is another reason why when we get invited to the Tankathon or whatever it’s called the US denies the invitation since our adversaries can learn the pros and cons of the vehicles potentially using this information to succeed on our own. Even then good luck to you all getting the info to disprove Gaijin’s current claim. As I stated in another forum I’ll eat a piece of toilet paper once my doubts are proven wrong and DU is added to all Abram tanks that are not exported as they should.
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This has to be a joke right???
Like you guys are just grasping straws here
“We don’t believe” and other quotes of just speculation at this point, then to add insult to injury you say that only several of the Abrams tanks are confirmed to have DU armour so you can’t say that every tank has it?
Ok fine, then remove the thermals on every t80 variant and every t72 variant except the b3 unless of course you can provide sources? Oh wait, you can’t.
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Sources are provided for T-80B, U, and T-72B3.
Italy is the source for T-72A TURMS-T cause the FCS is literally Italian.
Hey gajin since you clearly have zero clue about what a source is
Here is the US government CONFIRMING the use of DU in armour on their tanks
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That source confirms Gaijin’s statements that Abrams has DU.
That source doesn’t illustrate what the effective thickness is nor does it mention hull armor.
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Not having a thickness listed is an irrelevant observation, when the original numbers were ALSO made up as a guesstimate in the first place.
[Guesstimate based on no-X] + [learn about X] = [Make a higher guesstimate, then, by an amount plausible for a government to bother spending money on a new variant and tooling etc, like +10% probably at least]
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