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You can see the mention of the SEP program incorporating DU. The budget forms shortly after the license was amended literally show Department of Energy armor used in frontal upgrades. Along with the VA memo stating that A1 and A2 hulls manufactured since 1998 had DU hulls. Other documents point out about improved hull protection as well. Then we have the books that support this.
Yeah, I agree with all that. But obviously, and sadly I might add, Gaijin isn’t going to draw educated conclusions from all those documents. Seems to me, that frankly, Gaijin wants it written down in black and white and stamped by the U.S. president himself.
@Stona_WT @Smin1080p Are there any updates from the devs regarding these bug reports on the Abrams?
M1,M1A1/HC/SA/AIM, M1A2/SEP/SEPv2 Missing Integrated Spall Liner // Gaijin.net // Issues
M1A2 - M1A2 SEPv2 should have improved turret side armour // Gaijin.net // Issues
Abrams (All) incorrect fuel cell bulkhead thickness and model // Gaijin.net // Issues
You mean the document that literally states Abrams frontal armor upgrade using DOE energy? When that armor has been defined as DU and being in hulls? Cuz that’s the only armor the DOE makes, and that the licenses are required for for hulls and turrets. They’ve always accepted the license as evidence enough. The same license says unlimited hulls. The same licensed DOE armor put in frontal armor upgrades. The license states hulls as well. It’s in hulls, no matter what they try to claim.
No source for torsion bar
Acknowledged.
Closed.
I think what the devs mean, is you can see an armor improvement from the base Abrams, to the IPM1 and M1A1. Then you can see an armor improvement again in the M1A1 HC and M1A2 Abrams tanks in game. Even though the model does not change, the coding changes to represent armor improvements of Abrams received over its variants. The armor on the M1A1 HC and M1A2 in game are supposed to represent 2nd gen DU effectiveness in the turret cheeks. Now I’m pretty certain, that the armor on the Abrams tanks across all models in game is vasty underperforming compared to their real life counter parts. But, this is a video game and Gaijin gives these tanks the armor values they want to balance the game how they want the game to be balanced. Its just a shame that Gaijin seems to want to make the Abrams a glass cannon in game, while in real life all evidence we can provide Gaijin would contradict that take.
This is how m1a2 sep v1/2 armor should look like with its 3rd gen DU inserts
I would not use steel beast for estimates they are way off.
More accurate than Gaijin.
They also need actual physical samples to be shipped so they can chemically test the DU to make sure it’s actually DU. They also need to see the manufacturing and assembly of every single M1 in the U.S. inventory just to verify 😂
Yes, at least the armor figures make more sense, although in any case the armor of all modern tanks is secret so everything has to be based on speculation, but speculation is better than putting the same armor on a 2015 tank as a 1987 tank.
They extended the turret years before they started the development of the new ceramic armor.
500mm-600mm RHAe vs KE is actually very plausive, every single M1 Abrams hull front armor is ~650mm thick with the 101,6mm backplate.
CATTB uses the same hull front armor as the M1A1 HC, with a total weigh of 4,060lbs, that’s a 30.34% increase in weight compared to the M1A1 hull front armor, no way it doesn’t offer better protection.
The documents and sources I have seen in this thread leads me to believe that at least the M1A2 SEP v2 should have DU in the hull. As it seems like DU in the hull was being researched in 2006, leading up to the production of the SEP v2 upgrades. The M1A2 SEP was already in production in 2006, so it’s kinda hard to say that document means that DU is in the hull in the M1A2 SEP. Now I think I saw another source in this thread that stated the hull armor was upgraded in the M1A1 HA. That upgrade may not have been DU, but if we could prove that it was carried over to later Abrams variants then it would effect all the hulls on Abrams tanks in game 11.3 and up. But still even then, Gaijin will have to settle on the protection that they allow it to have in game. How I base my opinion based on the information I have seen and how Gaijin will interpret the same data could be totally different.
You forgot labeled “Not A Bug” 😂
Nooo that wont happen as then ZS38 would not be able to farm Abrams from front…
This game is just ridiculus , giving tanks like challanger 90mm of protection on LFP or Abrams 75mm on turret ring…
This is jsut for russian BMP`s and ZS38 to kill those frontally , which is not possible in real life.
So the added weight of the SEP improvements weren’t for the armor because “there were no surface area changes” or something? Seems odd considering they could’ve just fit better armor into the space the old armor was in without changing the “size” of the front plate. If the excuse is that the Abrams front plate never changed size, and that’s how you know there was no extra armor ever, that seems pretty weak tbh.
Giving the Abrams volumetric hull casting and volumetric turret race should fix that problem, but nah let’s ignore it for years…
Hopefully they add the spall liner. My source is pretty solid on the bug report.
