They also acknowledged the Kevlar lining in the interior of the Abram’s idk how that going to implement that but it’s needed. Current win rate is getting closer to 20% which is crazy. The BR change, reload buff, and noise buff didn’t do much and they know it, it needs some sort of armor or survivability buff. But Russia win rate is dropping too so they might need to adjust something quick.
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The Abrams Series became incredibly weak 90% of every Hit you are dead or knocked out :D
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Seems they’ve had plenty of “evidence” DU armor exists…however its not forthcoming enough for them because its does’nt specify exact locations and engineering specs. IMO it there is enough evidence to give them license to make the Abrams more competitive. WHEN the actual specs come out I, if no real changes have been made, I will be done with this company. This fiasco is exactly why people, in their exhaustion, leak classified documents.
Funny enough an old vid from youtube, “chieftain chats abrams” guy gets to inspect m1a1 museum peice. He was a tc in desert storm and goes through functionality of pretty much entire vehicle…around 33:23 he talks about how they got the old crew to come see the tank which WAS a HC version with a DU turret which was removed and replaced with an older standard turret before donating to the museum. He and the crew knew it wasn’t the original turret because it lacked starting with the U on the numbers which denoted it as the HC with DU. I’m sure he is making it all up though.
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Bias strikes again, having to fight tooth and nail to get the bare minimum specs. It doesn’t get more conclusive than this, Gaijins devs are an embarrassment in the Gaming community
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Just not open minded. They have all the evidence they need to make any adjustments necessary.
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As I’ve been researching the topic myself including with books, I would be interested in seeing concrete proof of DU location in the lower frontal plate. So far the only thing I’ve seen with certainty is that there is DU in the turret.
I have seen references in 2nd hand material books saying there was DU in the hull, but later on the same author said it wasn’t. I’ve seen Russian manuals say there is DU in the hull, but then its Russian and Gaijin won’t accept that.
This is not saying that the LFP is accurately modeled, probably has been upgraded without DU at least on one occasion if not multiple. The issue is all we have is conjecture. Concrete evidence does not exist because the US military doesn’t want it to exist, and at this point I’m kind of okay with it. Would just like the Turret ring, mantlet, and UFP bouncing sabots fixed and we’d have a pretty fair tank in a hull down situation.
From all the evidence I’ve seen as well there is no interior spall liner. The special armor in the tank most likely has spall reducing effects with the layered design. From all the reports on friendly fire in the gulf war we see the crew have survived quite a bit even from direct hits, I feel like the spall is pretty small inside the tank from APFSDS rounds. Due to this Gaijin will most likely not implement any sort of spall changes to the Abrams, which is trash but they don’t understand how spalling can be reduced without a hanging curtain.
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Hull Armor of the M1 Abrams - #200 by Count_Trackula it’s not concrete proof of
DU but at least proof that the lower front plate was upgraded past the IP m1
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ya no amount of armor is gonna fix the spall on the abrams
I mean worst come to worst they could just end up giving the crew flak vest as they do irl.
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lol Wait until you hear that DCS didn’t have good AI until 2023.
And their first full fidelity module for Soviet aircraft is this year. XD
But yeah, there’s no bias in War Thunder.
M1A2 has DU armor in the turret only until allegedly SEP3 BTW, which is represented [not ideally] in War Thunder.
Yeah, M1A2 only has 11mm more effective armor than AIM’s non-DU currently.
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AIM has an upgraded turret over the base M1A1
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Yes, which is the one at the Swedish trials.
And the DU-equipped tanks in WT do have more effective armor, but not by much as indicated by the screenshots.
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im pretty sure outside of DU theres other still unknown and classified materials in the armor too the tank hasnt been decommissioned and idk if anyone has had any success reverse engineering or getting their hands on a official US military abrams to find out
also when it comes to the military the govt does NOT lie about it in fact it will downplay it if possible theres a reason why it took several heli missiles to destroy one in iraq
And therein lies the bias, thinking the upgrade to DU led to an increase in protection of 1% and using an export Abrams without DU to say that DU is bad lol.
This is assuming that the new NGAP contains DU, which we don’t know for sure.
Didn’t the AIM only enter production years after the swedish trials were concluded?
It’s not bias, it’s a misunderstanding. And likely one from translation errors.
@_Renzo
AIM uses the non-DU package of M1A1 HC.
wrong, the M1A1HC uses a DU package
That’s what I said…
Otherwise I wouldn’t include the “non-DU” part in the sentence.
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maybe you’re not a native English speaker but when you phrase it “the non-DU package of the M1A1 HC” it makes it implies that the M1A1 HC has a non-DU package
a better way to phrase it would have been
“the Australian M1A1 AIM has a similar package to the M1A1 HC, but with the DU plates removed”
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