That’s a +1, would love to see an F-8, maybe a J model, to get this kind of stuff.
Real neat tbh
I don’t understand how the AIM-95 (assuming 13-15s burn time) has ~133-150kn of thrust total and missiles much larger (and newer, with better propellants) have less…
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In the forum you mention I did see this picture that you haven’t included
(It won’t let me use a capture or copy the link to show it, but the image is on a post from Feb 2nd, 2007 by Overscan)
Yeah that seems… off
Gonna have to try to find some documentation on its motor because that would make it double the 27ER’s booster thrust for more than 5x as long. That’s simply not possible.
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This one?
Okay, so the thruster was [similar] to the 7F sparrow, but unfortunately all the details are redacted. Will have to follow up
Looks like the seeker would’ve been longer ranged than the 9L’s but the seeker FOV would’ve been wider
Yeah that one.
Okay, so I still need to find data on the seeker head, warhead, and a little more on the engine would be cool. Am I missing anything else? Also, if anyone here has any ideas please lmk.
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I put FOIA in for both the Hughes and Ford seeker reports.
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oh awesome!
I have no idea how to do those so thanks a bunch!
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I assume that 133kn figure is a misinterpretation of the total impulse of the motor, as 30,000 lb-sec converts to ~133,447 newton-sec.
How does that compare to the AIM-7F?
AIM-7F as it is currently represented in game has a total impulse of 190,970 newton-sec, but it’s worth noting that its thrust levels are higher than IRL figures to account for the lack of drag reduction while the motor is burning. Given the corrected numbers in that report, the total impulse would be ~164,909 newton-sec.
oh, so that’s like… a reasonable number then, cool
I don’t think so. The AIM-7F still has a longer motor of the same diameter, with a phenolic nozzle allowing for more of the space than what I’ve highlighted in the following images to carry propellant. The overall weight of the propellant in the AIM-7F is ~61.23kg in-game which is nearly half the weight of the AIM-95.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/955829235493273680/1143680454675931166/image.png
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/955829235493273680/1143682405857775647/image.png
As you can see, the AIM-7F measured from the SMC seems to show around 50.15 - 59.25" of motor length and same diameter (8") as the AIM-95 Agile.
The AIM-95 engineering model shows a motor of only 46.66" in length… yet both somehow have ~30,000 lb-sec impulse or so. This just does not seem accurate to me.
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+1 would be really cool
+1, I suppose now that the R-73 is becoming a thing I could very well imagine this thing becoming the next NATO equivalent, shouldn’t be too darn hard to flare away ( maybe lol) and would be a good “what if” addition
Where are you seeing 30k lb-sec for the AIM-7F? From what I can discern the AIM-7F would have around 23.5% higher total impulse at 37,073 lb-sec given IRL figures, or 43.1% higher at 42,931 lb-sec in War Thunder. The motor on AIM-7F is approx. 27% longer than that of AIM-95, which appears to line up with the 23.5% increase in impulse.
It states it in the 1976 SMC sheet.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/955829235493273680/1143702138447478844/image.png
30,649 lb-s total impulse. Even provides atmospheric conditions and altitude.