HSTV-L: HE-VT, Fixed XM885, and IRT

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There’s no evidence at this time HSTVL was fitted with IR tracking of air targets.
It’s last and final test was ammo tests before the project was cancelled.
Its last ammo test was over-pressuring the rounds to unsafe levels for that higher muzzle velocity people incorrectly talk about.

HE-VT and IR tracking may have been planned, but the functioning prototype, akin to the Leopard 2K, didn’t have those features.

What source are you using for this statement? Given that there are a variety of sources from different years all claiming different velocities of XM885 as well as the different ammo initiatives that the XM274 gun went through. So every single source regardless of year it is from, is from the same “Last ammo test”?

The HSTVL test documents, and the ammunition test documents.
The over-pressure test BTW was to test barrel wear effects for not just the HSTVL but all anti-tank guns including the M1’s main gun.

Also, I don’t remember what the ammo was called at this time.

The velocity of the round that may be incorrectly named in War Thunder is the accurate safe velocity of both XM885 and the round we have in War Thunder, whether it’s correctly named or not.

The ammo used in the Erosion testing wasn’t XM885.

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I don’t ever remember seeing any velocities given the Erosion testing document. So if its in there, please show me.

Safe velocity given the varying sources muddling the water with different numbers each time? Yes.
Accurate velocity? No. (Either modeled after incorrect ammo initative or wrong rod dimensions, who’s to say at this point).

As per Spookston’s XM884 bug report HE-VT was indeed tested and developed alongside XM885.

HSTVL did indeed have target tracking with auto lead and nothing indicates it would not be able to track Helicopters and low altitude aircraft. Albeit it was short range only able to used out to 2000m.

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Different BR. Similar but still not the same.

The 2S38 would like to have a word with you

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It was tested using FLIR as a sight, meaning that it is capable of tracking IR signatures of both air and ground targets.

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2S38’s effective range is <4km with gen >2 thermals, and it has 148 rounds rather than 26.

The HSTV-L could theoretically store 60 rounds but that was only in the initial testing. Gaijin could add it or atleast a compromised ammo load.

That’s not at all what I’m talking about, or what you were talking about. It has amazing (and the shell fragment damage is over preforming honestly) damage for the size of the shell. You seemed to imply 76mm would be pretty bad, yet the 57mm on the 2S38 is beyond amazing, so why wouldn’t the 76mm be literally completely better?

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Cause OTOMATIC is useless and has a radar to identify targets.
2S38 is also largely useless as SPAA in-game due to no radar and that’s 10.0.
So giving HSTVL not even BR 10.0 “SPAA” capabilities would be a nerf to its performance.

It would not be nerfing by any means. That’s like saying adding MPAT to the abrams was a nerf. It’s an addition that would be optional to the player. It not like it would be forced into a loadout.

Last I checked Abrams doesn’t have a 26 round capacity with a <2 second reload.
Even with my tactics of firing far slower than the reload rate of auto-lights, 26 rounds itself isn’t enough for tanks let alone reducing that for aircraft.

ALL good players would never bring HE-VT cause they know better, but the bad players would and use HSTVL even more incorrectly than they do now.

Gaijin has to protect the playerbase from themselves in this case.
You want a SPAA? Use SPAA.
It’s why I’m not out here begging for CV90120 to get extra rounds.

That’s also why I would like them to add the early prototype shell amount of 60 rnds

Sure, I won’t get that version cause that will likely lack thermals, but it’ll be variety.

They could also add the RDF-LT production ready version that had the 60 rounds and the 0.6 second reload

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Would it be possible to extrapolate rod dimensions if you know the Length/Diameter ratio?

I was re-reading sources and saw this…

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You can only get the proportions with a ratio, unless you happpen to know a diameter or length. Anyways, a 12/1 L/D ratio is rather stubby so to speak, more like a shorter rod akin to M735. What is this from? This L/D is somewhat close to the in game dart (roughtly ~10/1, 270mm/26mm, discrepency could be forgiven due to simplification of the rod itself to a cylinder).

However since they talk about a 3 pound penetrator, we know it is not XM885 I believe, which in game it has at least its correct weight at 2.27kg (over 4 pounds). Again, I suspect XM885 itself is more around a 20/1 L/D ratio, which is more in line for a longrod penetrator (and lines better up with the one XM885 rod photograph).