G limits for aircraft are taken as 1.5X reported values or something like that because the manual limits were with safety margins.
As demonstrated by a number of reports about overspeeding Vne, it’s fair for Warthunder to be more generous with structural limits especially given we don’t model manufacturing defects (The Hurricane for instance used to suffer from elevator deformation during high-G dives which was corrected by improved manufacturing).
“The maximum speed not to be exceeded was 750kmh. Once I was flying above Helsinki as I received a report of Russkies in the South. There was a big Cumulus cloud on my way there but I decided to fly right through. I centered the controls and then something extraordinary happened. I must have involuntarily entered into half-roll and dive. The planes had individual handling characteristics; even though I held the turning indicator in the middle, the plane kept going faster and faster, I pulled the stick, yet the plane went into an ever steeper dive.
In the same time she started rotating, and I came out of the cloud with less than one kilometer of altitude. I started pulling the stick, nothing happened, I checked the speed, it was about 850kmh. I tried to recover the plane but the stick was as if locked and nothing happened. I broke into a sweat of agony: now I am going into the sea and cannot help it. I pulled with both hands, groaning and by and by she started recovering, she recovered more, I pulled and pulled, but the surface of the sea approached, I thought I was going to crash. I kept pulling until I saw that I had survived. The distance between me and the sea may have been five meters. I pulled up and found myself on the coast of Estonia.
If I in that situation had used the vertical trim the wings would have been broken off. A minimal trim movement has a strong effect on wings when the speed limit has been exceded. I had 100kmh overspeed! It was out of all limits.
The Messerschmitt’s wings were fastened with two bolts. When I saw the construction I had thought that they are strong enough but in this case I was thinking, when are they going to break
-What about the phenomenon called “buffeting” or vibration, was there any?
No, I did not encounter it even in the 850kmh speed.”
-Kyösti Karhila, Finnish fighter ace. 32 victories
…Undecided, I peel off and begin chasing him down. Did I squander a chance here? Have I let him escape? He is diving hard enough to be shedding his wings, harder than anyone designed those airplanes to dive, 500 miles an hour and more, and if 109s will stall sooner than Mustangs going straight up, now I am worrying that maybe their wings stay on longer. At 25,000 feet I begin to grow nervous. I pull back on the throttle, ease out of the dive, and watch him go down. I have no more stomach for this kind of thing, not right now, not with this guy. Enough. Let him go and to hell with him.
Clarence “Bud” with Joseph P. Hamelin. “To Fly and Fight, Memoirs of a Triple Ace”
…Taking up pursuit again I was able to get on one of the Me-109’s which now began to dive. I fired three short bursts. After the first burst he skidded, I suppose to look back. I fired again seeing debris and canopy come off. Just as the third burst was fired it looked like the pilot started out, however at that instant strikes were noticed on and around what looked like the pilot. Then the ship actually disintegrated. I went out of control indicating 500 mph. at 20,000 ft. and so did my wing man. I picked up my element leader, Lt. Howell, quickly and covered him as he nailed a Me-109 with the pilot parachuting. We climbed back to the bombers from 12,000 ft. and continued the escort.
Thomas L. Hayes encounter report for 28 May 1944
Pilot G limits themselves do merit complaints IF we are talking about Max 5/5 expert + ace. At level 2 without ace, they’re fairly believable beyond lack of long-term exhaustion.
You pass out from 5.5G at level 2 crew if you sustain for 20 seconds and your stamina doesn’t recover fast enough to let you do b2b2b high speed high G scissors for a prolonged period and steep split-S will knock you out (or at least seriously vignette your vision)
This is an issue of crew skills, which I’d love to have removed.
Oh, and another thing I’d love is if we had a pilot’s ability to pull on a stick be a function of remaining stamina (which doesn’t perfectly recover until you RTB and rearm). This would buff aircraft like P-51 and Fw190 which had easier controls and would especially buff early aircraft with hydraulic boost over cables and ropes.
That’s tanks, not planes.
That’s jets, not props and doesn’t do with flight dynamics/mechanics.
Furthermore, it’s a consequence of having a generalized model that ties IR signatures to thrust because it is generally reliable rather than individually modelling each aircraft and dealing with classified data.
But again, that’s not related to flight characteristics and it’s modern missilethunder stuff rather than gunfighter jets or propeller planes.
