How to fight against Aerfer Ariete

[Normandy_Corsair]

@RXDimA

If you get your ass caught it’s the PILOTS fault, not the ma

agree to disagree atp

[pvwatermelon]

Run away from it and bait to your high g missile friends. Ignore it as soon as it turns out of your way if you’re behind it.

[HansVonGroebel]

@TheSEB313

Distance fuse rockets

No Ariete player expects to get nuked by a well fired ranged bomb

I didn’t know S-5Ks get timed fuzes, good to know.

@kizvy

you run away forever and third party it. you will never win a dogfight against it

That much I got from fighting them, hence my question here. I hoped there was some critical weakness but alas, it’s just undertiered apparently.

@SoyBeanInhaler

Just run away and then stuff a R-3S up his bum

Or the rocket fuze idea, either way never dogfight an ariete.

It’s whole niche is it is incredibly good at dogfighting and nothing else. It is completely vulnerable to missile and hit and runs (it compresses pretty bad when it’s fast)

I recommend you never engage this plane, only if you have a height advantage and the ariete is going fast. Then you can dive on it and just get the surprise kill.

Otherwise it is incredibly vulnerable to missiles, which it can do nothing about. If I was in a MiG-19PT I would get a height advantage at start of the match, and then if I see an ariete I’d dive on it and try to shoot him. If I miss first shot, go straight up so that you stall the ariete. Then we you go down launch the R-3S (which should hit because he would have no energy to dodge).

Got a shot at it with an R-3S, got effortlessly dodged.

The compression is a good hint.

My problem isn’t not getting killed by it, at least in the MiG-19, but killing it.

@Normandy_Corsair

You can only energy fight it, and you dont produce that much more energy than it. The Ariete should be ~9.7 or 10.0 atm.The other users are massively overestimating the energy generation difference between the mig19 and ariete.

That’s what I noticed as well. I was able to almost get them into my sights a few times by outclimbing them, but I was fighting 2 of them a MiG-21 and something else maybe a P-16 at that time, so I could never commit.

@RXDimA

It is practical though. I’ve been doing it in an F-106, and the differences between Ariete and Mig 19 vs Ariete and F-106 are similar: The Ariete is too slow and it cannot maintain a turn at high speed without losing energy. You don’t even need a turn, put it in a shallow climb and you gain vastly more energy over an Ariete. All you need to do is not let one close to you, just like you would in a P-51 vs Zero fight.
Just like OP mentioned, he can avoid getting shot down by Arietes, all he needs is a weapon against them. Only way to avoid getting shot down by them is to outenergy them, and using that, you can also bait them into an unfavourable situation (a stall).

If you get your ass caught it’s the PILOTS fault, not the machine. The machines and their differences are irrelevant at this point.

I guess that’s true from my experience against them, but the pilots I faced usually keep their energy up enough to just outturn me whenever I get my guns anywhere near them.
However the F-106 better than the MiG-19 in most regards, so your comparison is faulty at best.

You last statement is objectively untrue, though.

@Normandy_Corsair

@RXDimA

Turning and climbing at a speed greater than Ariete’s VNE is not enough MER for you?

I’m not going to continue replying if you don’t read what I’m saying. What you speak is purely theoretical and in actual matches an ariete has more than enough MER and vertical energy retention to stick to you long enough to hit you with its high velocity railguns of cannons.

@RXDimA

Well then bait the Ariete into an energy fight that it cannot win.

Energy fighting an ariete is like turnfighting a spitfire in an A6M. You can do it, the spitfire can also dumpster you if you make even a small mistake in line. The ariete will do the same and railgun you with its easy to aim guns by maintaining plenty of speed, as its probably only 2nd to the MiG-19 in this regard at 9,3.

Pretty much. I have to actively dodge it’s guns so I can just barely keep an energy advantage over it until it’s about 1.5km away.

@pvwatermelon

Run away from it and bait to your high g missile friends. Ignore it as soon as it turns out of your way if you’re behind it.

Pretty much…

[Herojure24]

Yeah the ariete is so busted in dogfights even when I play my mirage IIIC and I spot one I immediately focus them and send a magic 1 up their ass. I am not taking chances even with a much better plane.

[DiabloHNTSDL]

I agree. played Ariete too much, with 8 kill games at 10.3, 5-7 kill games at 11.3 and 12.0.
The only thing I’d like to add, Su-25BM should be 11.7 in ground and 11.3 in air.