In the modern era this may not be true
The CAS problem would not be so bad if Gaijin actually gave somewhat equal SPAAs to all nations
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I care about WW2 more or less. Occasionally I like modern stuff as “ooh pretty!” or “let’s see if I can land X plane on a carrier with sim controls” but otherwise WW2 is a more interesting environment to me for both tanks and aircraft (korean war is up there, but korean brackets are compressed and are generally a mess of balancing for aircraft)
At best its a convenient shortcut, at worst it makes you look petty and incapable of countering their argument.
It is more effective to explain why their arguments/opinions are wrong, than it is to say “you have bad stats so you’re wrong.”
One example I’ve seen before from inexperienced players is the claim that low BR Swedish vehicles are OP, when the truth is that the majority of players don’t pick Sweden as their first nation, so those playing it at low BR tend to have more experience than other low BR players. Explaining that fact is objectively the better counter to the false claim.
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Chances of you making a logical argument drop with your skill level.
This is a problem of self reflection.
If I was Silver I’d probably stop myself from giving out any opinions or perceived arguments as it’s clear to me that my game knowledge is seriously lacking.
Just by watching some higher level gameplay it’s easy to deduct P90 isn’t anything special outside of Silver.
Also, saying vehicle X is busted while playing like crap in it is even more egregious example than P90.
I have been in more of those arguments than I can even count. There is no proving these people wrong, it just turns in an argument going in circles because these people really believe that what they think is purely objective and logical.
The T-90M is a perfect example of this.
Pulling the stats up is not because I enjoy stat shaming people (well sometimes I do, but that is a whole different argument). It’s a last resort to show these people themself that they clearly lack the game knowledge to come to that conclusion, let alone to try and school other people on why their’s is the right conclusion.
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B-but 2S38 is so OP because it one shorted my tank.
Looks at stats regarding vehicle in question: 0.34 K/D.
Okay…
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Sometimes it’s not about convincing the person you’re arguing with that their wrong, its about convincing the people who are reading the discussion.
Certainly there are plenty of stubborn and indignant people who are convinced they are right no matter what, and to that point if logic does not convince them, then bringing up stats wont either.
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But you can bring their stats up for others to see so they don’t lose their time engaging with someone that’s not making any sense.
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You can also just explain why they aren’t making any sense.
It is possible for a person with bad stats to make a good argument, and it is possible for someone with good stats to have a bad opinion.
It is not possible for something that doesn’t make sense to hold up to the scrutiny of a sensible explanation.
In other words, while “don’t trust this guy, his stats are bad!” might work most of the time, “don’t trust this guy, his argument makes no sense and here’s why it makes no sense” works every time.
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That explanation you might have is also relying on personal preferences in most cases and is far from objective, especially if lots of pros and cons are included.
You might try and reason with him by comparing other peers to that vehicle. This isn’t perfect nor objective as something doesn’t need to matter to all people in the same way.
This is why you commonly see arguments like: “reload/pen/optics/gun handling don’t matter”.
You also often see people fixating on one thing only, like armor, and they aren’t changing their minds.
I don’t think that bad players will have any new, insightful information that good players didn’t already figure out.
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Extending to aircraft, control style and way you use it also makes a massive difference.
Talking about a plane’s ability to generate energy or retain control at absurdly low speeds by virtue of being a carrier aircraft flies over the head of those who just press and hold S on their keyboard 100 meters off deck and declare a wellington out-turns their F4U-4/7.
Technically the wellington outturns the corsair if the corsair forgets it has one of the most powerful engines around and introduces the slightest bit of verticality to their combat where weedwhacker wellington can’t follow without falling out of the sky from losing all its speed.
You can try to explain to someone all the principles of dogfight geometry and energy fighting principles and they’ll ignore all of it and keep insisting “america plane bad.”
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If that’s the case then it’s at least more worthy of a further discussion that has a better chance of being insightful than comparing stat cards.
As we established, it’s not always about changing the mind of the person you’re talking to.
I’m talking about possibility, not likelihood.
If you’re a soldier tasked with defending a position, do you want a gun that is unlikely to fail, or a gun that cannot possibly fail? Surely the gun that cannot possibly fail is better.
Not really if you come across forum regulars that make those claims all the time while having nothing to back it up.
See above.
This is debatable.
I would love to hear your case for why a gun that has a chance of failing is better than a gun that cannot fail.
Failure rate is not the only important part of a gun.
Fire rate, ammo, ease of use, etc. all play a really big role in deciding what to take.
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Those are all aspects that are not part of the hypothetical scenario.
There are two guns, all you can know about them is that one is unlikely to fail, and the other cannot possibly fail.
Based solely on this information, which gun is superior?
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Not enough information to say.
I’d rather use something like an AK-47 with a slim chance of failing than a pea gun that can’t fail at all.
So ww2 bolt action is better than modern machine gun ?
What I honestly love the most is when they see my SPAA has the best stats out of any vehicles I have, but claim SPAA is too weak cause I’m a bad player with bad stats overall.