how have you found the narwhal? I hate getting pumped and dumped by the CAS players of that thing so much
yeah reasearching Fw190-F8 itll be in my line up soon
262s i have
sqaudron one
C2B
C1A
A1A
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really hate meteors
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it doesnt need to lose airspawn, it would then lose the only reason to play it atm, it doesn’t have real advantages once the game is developed, it just has this early game rush niche
Honestly I have no idea. I have never been outran by an F-84G in my F-80A-5
slow to accelerate but does actually pull pretty good G’s, issue is most ppl bring it with far too many bombs/rockets to experience this typically. The air spawn makes it incredibly strong.
just keep your speed up and at tier your one of fastest and can turn excellent 11-12g
It may have a supposedly fast top speed, but its acceleration is very slow and it has no flight performance at all.
Compared to the F-84B’s Allison J35-A-15 engine:
The F-84G’s J35-A-29 gets a considerable speed and acceleration upgrade by nearly +1500lbs of thrust (converted kgf)
I’d argue the F-84G may be up there for one of the fastest straight-winged jets at its BR and in the game alone. It’s still not enough to outrun or dogfight as well as the swept-winged contemporaries like the MiG-15 or F-86 Sabre, but using its strike fighter airspawn makes it pretty good for a BnZ playstyle since you already have an altitude advantage over enemy planes and can easily intercept bombers just like with the F-84B.
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It has a high top speed for it’s BR, and decent manoeuvrability too.
Which is why it should lose it’s airspawn, because no plane is entitled to a permanent altitude and speed advantage, especially at the tier where those are both incredibly important and hard to get. I shouldn’t be forced to never have any altitude or speed advantage if I’m playing 7.0-8.0.
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its one of my favorite “turn brain off” jets in the game. youre literally a massive annnoyance until youre dealt with, i think its by far the jet ive had the most 7k matches with so far.
i do believe however that the airspawn makes it way too strong, its still fast and wouldnt have trouble from takeoff
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No, it doesn’t? It’s agility is subpar and if it does ever actually try to utilize the midling, mediocre agility it has, it will go to 400kph.
The top speed is also VERY mediocre as of late since they downtiered the F86 and MiG15, whom are common opponents.
There is no permanent advantage. You also have failed to provide any intelligent reasoning as to why this somehow means the F-84G should lose its singular niche it has.
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X-ray stat card doesn’t mean much. The F-84G has a longer takeoff distance than both the F-84B and the B-29
And those aren’t the other 7.3/7.7 planes it very regularly faces. Good luck facing a not idiotic F-84G player in a Su-11/Mig-9, because neither of those can easily catch it.
At the start of every single match, it will always have the altitude and speed advantage, when it really doesn’t need them.
I also hate how even good 7.3/7.7 planes are ruined because F-84G players somehow think they should get an airspawn, when almost nothing else does. It’s also made worse by nearly every single 7.0-7.7 match including 7.7/8.0 planes, and it makes for a truly awful experience if you’re not in an OP aircraft.
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both russian jets mentioned can easily catch a f84 that makes small mistakes in pathing. They aren’t far removed in speed range and the su11 has far better accel.
Which does not translate to permanent with the F84’s poor climb rate/accel/retention.
You’re just advocating killing off the f84g for no benefit for anybody else just so we’re clear. The Su-11 would still be present and ruins far more than the F-84G does. F-84G is very avoidable when its doing its early game strafes and once the early game is over, so is this plane’s niche. It then becomes a very mid bnz jet
All the F-84G has to do is fly straight and not turn hard and they won’t be killed by almost anything at or below their BR that isn’t another F-84, a diving plane, or an La-200. The Mig-9 late tops out at about 70kmh lower than the F-84G, but it can turn better at the cost of much worse energy retention.
It’s energy retention is not terrible, and it climbs at 33 m/s, which is better than the Mig-9 Late (30m/s at best, and it drops off at altitude), and Su-11. Even the decent J29A only climbs at the same rate, but that has a ground spawn, and loses a lot of engine power at altitude. It has a permanent advantage at the start of the game, and that allows it to be good throughout. It’s like how the Xp-50 or Wyvern are only OP with their airspawns.
Removing it’s airspawn will not kill it. It will be weaker, but it won’t be completely awful.
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You think this gives the F-84 immunity but go on to say the massive speed advantage given is 70kph over the MiG-9, which is not the fastest jet you have to worry about either.
It is very terrible.
You have a quirky interpretation of the word “permanent” when one can equalize energy within a few minutes of the match starting.
Yes. It will, considering this is the only niche it holds onto currently. It is an ASS vehicle when groundspawned.
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The difference is, is that the Mig-9 doesn’t get a free +2km and +450kmh speed advantage at the very start. It also isn’t as fast in a dive afaik.
Which means it is a permanent advantage at the start, and a decent player is able to use that to keep thata advantage throughout the whole match.
And it deserves to have a ground spawn. If an Me-262, or A29 can be ground spawned, so can the F-84G.
That single plane unironically has killed any hope I have ever had of having fun between 7.0 and 8.0. It’s unbelievably unfair how one of the best 7.7 planes also gets an airspawn at the BR where altitude and speed means everything.
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Easily overcame by… equalizing energy states… just don’t ram your jet into the enemy in the first 2 minutes of the game starting
You should just stop using this word, it doesn’t mean what you think it means
In the current game these should be airspawning anyway? Me262 is garbage. Not referring to A29
You are having a problem unique to yourself, because I don’t play F-84G and have plenty of good experiences at the BR
You are definitely just coping, F-84G’s only claim to fame is its airspawn.
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It’s like the F-104A/C all over again, but now the plane in question is even worse.
Okay and how exactly does this disprove the claim?
As the F84G in takeoff vs in the air are very different, when taking off its acceleration is not good however once past 300-350km/h it gets very good acceleration.
As shown the upgrade in engine provides a massive boost in performance compared to the F84B, allowing it to outspeed, outaccelerate and outclimb and majority of 7.0-7.7br jets.
Yes it should, F84G, F84B, and other strike aircraft like the F3D, Me262 jabo, Me 262 a1/u1 should lose their airspawn. The airspawn provides a significant advantage that is unfair to other jets as they not only have an altitude advantage but also a speed advantage that allows them to gain a significant energy advanatge over the battlefield once both sides meet. I’ve played all these planes before they had airspawns and after, and the airspawn does not make sense for all planes mentioned didn’t make sense when introduced and doesn’t make sense now.
Either way the F84G with the airspawn is so unbalanced as already there is no adequate way for many 7.0-7.3br jets to catch a competent F84G pilot unless he makes a big mistake, and the airspawn just adds to that problem. The F84G gets not only the speed advantage, acceleration advantage, but also a large altitude advantage.
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