note: this is not a vehicle suggestion, please read the whole post before voting in the poll. I also want to stress that Israel has many many lowtier vehicles that are much more fitting to the time of ranks I-III vehicles than this, I made this poll in order to test the possibility of the addition of vehicles like this, in general, and not to justify lowtier Israel. Seriously, if you are interested in what lowtier Israel would look like check the suggestions page of the older forums or a custom tech tree.
Ingame, there are many ground vehicles from the 80s or 90s that have a BR which puts them fighting against WW2 ground vehicles. This is usually the case due to the vehicle itself being so bad it needs to face WW2 vehicles or be doomed to uselessness (for example: Swedish lowtier ground vehicles). After all, the BR system is supposed to balance vehicles according to their capabilities and have no regard for their time of creation, at least on paper…
What I am trying to ask is, how far can we take this concept?
I represent to you: the Plasan M-LPV:
It is an armored car, equipped with a Samson Dual RWS armed with a 30mm M230LF. It has a horsepower-to-weight ratio of 31.02hp/t, and STANAG level 2-3 protection (protection from 7.62mm ammunition).
You might wonder “Why is this vehicle worthy of fighting rank II vehicles?”, well, it all comes down to the armament itself: the M230LF.
The M230LF uses 30x113mmB ammunition, the same ammunition as ADEN/DEFA autocannons so we are looking at an AP-T round with ~40mm of penetration. It has a slow fire rate of 200rds/min. As you can see, this is not going to be the next R3 T20 FA-HS.
According to this brochure, many modern features of the Samson Dual RWS can be cut as they are optional and dependent on the ordering customer. This way, the M-LPV will not have high-tech features from the 70s and 80s while fighting WW2 vehicles, keeping the balance more or less. The only thing that cannot be cut is the two-plane stabilization, but similarly to the R3 T20 FA-HS it is quite weak and stops working at high speeds.
Most vehicles at the lowtiers have sides around the thickness of 30mm-40mm, and fronts even stronger than this, which means that the M230LF will not be able to penetrate most rank II tanks from the front and struggle to penetrate them in the sides. If it struggles too much, the addition of the more modern M789 HEDP (shell found on Apache’s M230E-1) is possible, but I suggest against it unless absolutely needed.
TL;DR - The Plasan M-LPV is a vehicle from modern times that has armament so weak it could possibly face early WW2 vehicles. I want to remind you again that this post isn’t meant to suggest the addition of the M-LPV to Israel, but rather to discuss the addition of similar vehicles in general.
- Yes, I support the addition of such vehicles, as long as their capabilities are on par with similarly BRd vehicles
- Yes, I support the addition of such vehicles, but only if their technology is on par with similarly BRd vehicles and they do not possess any unfair technological advantage.
- No, I do not support the addition of such vehicles, but I will consider if their technological capabilities aren’t too far-fetched for their proposed BR and compared to the vehicles around that BR.
- No, I do not support the addition of such vehicles period, even if their capabilities and technologies are on par, vehicles should only face other vehicles from a similar (or at least a reasonably close) timeline.