How does the msc compare to the 2a4?

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I’m merely using that as an example the dart cut clean through the turret composites :(
I’ve had an extremely poor experience so far with the MSC.

Nah the lowest it feesibly could go would be 10.7 at all man, I am not one of these folks demanding it be 10.3 etc.

Yeah but it’s got only mobility and a slight reload advantage against 10.7s.
most 11.3s have either a close to 5 second or 5 second reload aced.

The round as well is extremely, meh, I feel as if it should be wayy more reliable than it is, but that could be to do with darts being dodgy again.

6 seconds yeah man, so not bad but for the trade-off of no armour + survivability it feels quite weak.
hell I do better in my 2A4NL than I do the MSC in the same lobbies.

even 5.5 seconds reload would make it somewhat nicer for 11.0 without being obscenely fast.

it has great mobility but the M1 at 10.7 is more mobile so, it’s not as if it’s the most mobile.
compare it to other 11.0s, I see it next to the ZTZ 99 II and III .
Which have a slower reload sure, and piss all reverse speed, but have a top tier round, LWS, gen 2 commander and gunner thermals, great armour, surprising survivability as well as pretty damn snappy moving forwards etc.

Just a touch above we have the IPM1, merkava MK3’s , even if we hit 11.7 it just goes downhill.
It’s not too bad at 11.0 but the uptiers are just brutal af man

maybe I just suck with it, who knows.

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realistically 11.0 with either a slightly faster reload, or slight changes to the penetration.

if it went to 10.7 give it a 6.5 second reload.
done

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Mobility wise sure.

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Sure no problem with that but its protection issue was upfront in your comment so i assumed its mainly related to that issue.

Fair enough

The standard leclercs run with 5 sec reload, so if MSC stays as it is but gets 5 sec reload, current BR would be completly fine.

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that still makes it better than the 2a4 which is the current best 10.7

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Armour and survivability goto the Leopard tbh man.

The rounds marginally better
Its engine is also super distinctive and loud.
Reload is about the same too 6.3 vs 6.0

Generally I’d rather the leopard over the msc

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Yeah i realised that when i read it back, my bad man.

If it got maybe a 6.5 second reload then it would be a great fit for 10.7.

Yeah they do pretty okay woth it tbh

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This doesn’t matter. Something being better on 1 vehicle only matters if said vehicle actually experiences some form of success utilizing said metric. The 2A4 bounces basically the same thing the MSC will. You also are citing the 6.5 second reload the 2a4 gets ACED versus the regular 6s of the MSC that a lvl 1 crew will get.

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2A4 has 6.4s experted, 6.0s aced.

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my mistake

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Why does survivability not matter?

2a4 compared to MSC is vastly more survivable and you’re able to take shots, retreat repair and respons.
Oppose to, nuked.

It doesn’t, 2a4 bounces far more than MSC does in game…hell as i just showed a Bmp2m can pen the turret face easily and nuke the crew.

3 crew vs 4 is always a disadvantage in game.

No you get 6.4 seconds expert and 6.0 aced.
6.7 with a full crew but extra training.

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For me, MSC is just a slightly better 2A4, its fine at 11.0 especially now with that decomp and the new Jaguar.

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Teach me where tf i am going wrong with this thing.

I’ve barely managed to keep it in a positive KD.

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I swear for me the dart feels as if it does nothing, then i just get one tapped, even on the flank with it.

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I am terrible at explaining, but Jon can probably help you.

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I already explained it in the message you quoted, if you mean armor. If you mean actual survivability, 2a4 wins that because it has 4 crew and not 3. Extremely easy to 1 tap a 3 man crew at top tier that isnt a russian mbt. That said, doesn’t make up a 0.3br difference

So what exactly is railgunning a MSC that is somehow plinking off a 2a4?

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The main difference is definitely the autocannon protection.

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A perfect example of how oppressive this thing is, with its combination of mobility, firepower, and autoloader

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It’s just the LFP thats pennable and small sections of the turret face, your ufp and the top of your lfp where the 2 plates meet are still invulnerable to common autocannons. Both tanks get insta-deleted if they show more than 10 degrees of their side armor basically