then do this thing with your very fast interceptor… and run away. you wouldnt turn fight an F5C and thats at 10.7?
And what is the total for the T.10 now??
60 Internal, 320 BOL.
BOL being about 1/4 the strength of regular CMs (due to 100% fake ahistorical nerfs that were applied more than a year ago, except the burn time reductions, those are correct).
For Flares this is slightly complicated because in luminosity you need around 2-3 flares to match that of a regular flare, but they also have a much shorter burn time. This means to pre-flare effectively you need to drop them around twice as often. In reality, BOL “flares” aren’t flares, but a cloud of chaff like material that produces an IR signature on contact with the air creating a luminoisity similar to that of a large calibre flare (maybe even more effective than a large calibre flare) but with a short “burn” time. (one of the few truly effective CMs vs IIR seekers)
This is also without mentioning the IR signatures issues present on the Harrier’s which makes flaring anything far far harder than it should be, which is only getting worse this major update
For chaff, its quite simple, they have 1/4 the mass they should have. There is a little bit of debate regarding the casing weights, but in essence, BOL Chaff should equal 1 to 1 regular chaff used on most other aircraft.
So with that in mind, as of right now, the T.10 has approximately 140 CMs total 60 + (320/4).
Year+ old bug reports are in for both the flares and chaff. Naturally, if they ever get actually fixed, then this will have a greater impact on balance and a BR increase might be needed. But ultimately CM counts are a relatively minor thing in the long run and might have no impact at all. Especially as the Gr7 (99% the same aircraft as the T.10) had 4x BOL (700 CM total) prior to the BOL Nerfs (and they were literally standard calibre CMs back then. burn time and all) , and prior to it recieving Aim-9Ms had a BR of (post-decompression estimate) of 11.3/11.7 in SB and was widely considered over BRed in ARB (had a higher BR in ARB than in ASB of what would now be approximately 12.3) in fact its BR did not increase at all when it went from 4x Aim-9Ls to 4x Aim-9Ms (it maintained that BR with 4x Aim-9Ls for an entire year without issue until the 9Ms were added and was another 3ish months till the BOL nerfs occured after the Gripen was added)
TLDR: 2x BOL, even if they were standard CM strength, would probably still be 11.3. 4x BOL would probably be 11.7 based upon the Harrier Gr7 having the same amount of CMs before at the same relative BR
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What BR is the thing in GRB?
iirc. 11.3. But that is largely irrelevant as we havent got a single 11.3 ground vehicle. So the lowest it will operate is 11.7. Which places it at the same BR as the Tornado Gr1 (which is better is down to personal prefernece) and would be 0.3 lower than the Gr7 which has 100% identical A2G loadout, but 9Ms and 2x more BOL
Might be pretty good in GRB due to the AGM-65G’s. 11.7 has a pretty good matchmaker rn so you won’t get curbstomped by a Pantsir too often.
Yeah, Gr7 was fairly good for low level hit and run attacks, having the T.10 for the 11.7 line-up (which can sometimes be quite good for netting downtiers) might be quite fun.
Though both the T.10 and Gr7 should actually have 6x AGM-65s but are limited to only 4 at the moment and TIALD should be Gen 2 not Gen 1
You got any evidence for this?
Also, Russian helicopters have a wickedly high heat signature as well, I had to do some testing with a buddy after I was unable to kill an unaware Mi-28A (the Swedish one), after 4 Fim-92Es missed. He was standing still and dodging them magically.
Meanwhile in my own testing, the KA-52, 50, Mi-28Nm, N, 35, 24, 8, all couldn’t stop a stinger.
There was 1 outlier of the KA-52 blocking a single stinger, and notes the fact these all had ircm, the exhaust vent, and cms going off to defeat the stinger.
But the total cm count if far above that of other aircraft.
Read the bug reports yourself
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/B8OvCzjZ7E91
On paper only
Oh so it’s bs that your precious T.10 got more cms then? Great… gaijin going back to the paper tanks I see.
I think he means 320BOL is not the same as say 320Standard CM’s, Per single flare standard calibre you would need to drop 2 pairs of BOL for 4 total, to match a single standard flare in luminosity and duration.
Harrier T.10 having BOL isn’t up for debate;
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So what does the Su-39 have? Or a Su25T, or Su25? They’re all listed as small cms.
Well if “Harrier T.10 having BOL isn’t up for debate” I raise you this:
R-77s, and R-27s, along with the ability to to carry either R-60s or R-73s…
There’s all sorts of other things the Su-39 is missing, but I’m just brushing the surface.
All countermeasures that aren’t listed as BOL or Large are standard.
And what is the “standard” effectiveness, as usually it take 4-8 flares to get 1 Aim-9L to miss.
i JUST watched an afterburing F/A-18 1 flare an aim9l from a rear aspect shot.
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Yet the Harrier can not lol
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What even is your argument?
salt the T.10 gets to be usable? and its VERY good right now. the new RWR sound is very funny too (the “new target on rwr” indicator" ) and the maw. pretty fun
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I’ve seen it once lol.
Glad its fun though
I just really need the Shars HUD fixed