Would be cool to see these skins for C-101
Honduras
Chile
Also Honduran F4U-5 Skin would be nice (last piston engine to piston engine dogfight)
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Very well, than allow me to suggest the proper changes,
Description:
- The Kfir C.10 is the most advanced version of the Kfir family and was acquired
only by Colombia. Among its advantages are anAESA radar, a DASH helmet-mounted display (HMD) for target acquisition, and Derby radar-guided missiles.With the inclusion of the Hispanic tree, this aircraft should be moved from the Israeli to the Hispanic tree.
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- The Kfir C.10 is the most advanced version of the Kfir family and was acquired by Colombia. Among its advantages are a PD radar, a DASH helmet-mounted display (HMD) for target acquisition, and Derby radar-guided missiles.
Armament:
- Secondary: Derby missile, Python
IIImissile, 3000/2000/1000/750/500 lbs bombs, FFAR rockets, Zuni rockets, 20 mm GAU-4 cannon, GBU-12/49 Paveway II guided bomb, SPICE 1000 guided bomb.
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- Secondary: Derby missile, Python IV/V missile, 3000/2000/1000/750/500 lbs bombs, FFAR rockets, Zuni rockets, 20 mm GAU-4 cannon, GBU-12/49 Paveway II guided bomb, SPICE 1000 guided bomb.
This is assuming you want it as the “C.10” which it’s called in the tree. If you want it as the C.10 Block 60 then it’d be a little different: add I-Derby/I-Derby ER to armament, keep AESA in description.
All the simple changes above would reduce the text by a few characters, not increase.
Well we have photographic evidence, and plenty of it, so we know at some point it was made to be able to use it (I think we even discussed this back in the archive a few months back when I was looking into this plane). You’ve mentioned this weapon and other AAMs not yet ingame for other aircraft in your tree, so I don’t see why it can’t be listed for this aircraft which used it.
As far as I understand they didn’t have “bis” variant at all, Spanish forces used only “serie 1” (11-20 preproduction planes remained from the Italian Gruppo Sperimentale di Caccia).
In general, first bis variants were made in September 1940.
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Yeah
This TT suggestion has a lot of problems like with what you said it stated the wrong G.50 variant as well as having the CASA.111’s armament wrong being it has the He-111H-16’s armament instead of what the actual 111’s used. Granted Spain did used the He-111H-16’s as well.
Ah, I understand, thank you very much, mistakes like that can happen.
Hey, I did what I could with what I found. I didn’t get any help from any Spaniards either, so it’s normal that I missed some things. Instead of criticizing me, it would be more helpful to help me.
Furthermore, the suggestion is to give some general visibility to the aircraft operated by Hispanic countries; it’s not like I’ve done an ultra-meticulous investigation of each aircraft, there are more than 140, you know, it’s a titanic task. If it’s implemented, Gaijin will do its own research anyway.
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For the CASA 2.111’s specifically, yes they were based off the H-16 and still can retain the 20mm (but not always) but the MG131 is incorrect since the Spanish never used that gun. Instead they used and prefer the Breda SAFAT’s. the LMG’s are either MG-17’s or 7.7mm Breda SAFAT’s but i don’t remember which one exactly. The A used the same engines as the H-16 but the later B models used the Rolls Royce Merlin 500 engines (the same ones found on the Lancaster)
AviationCorner is a good source if you want to search for specifically Spanish aircraft (both civilian and Military), at least for photos
I will write a more detailed post about the errors later
Isn’t there going to be navalised version of the Hurjet Spain’s going to operate
+1, not much copy paste spotted from a brief glance.
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maybe add the shafrirless one at 7.7 on the TT and the ones with shafrir 2s at like 8.7 as a premium
Once again, very well-made, but I cannot support this. Spain and the LatAm countries don’t belong together. Let the LatAm tech tree be what it is meant to be. -1
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This
And the Air TT perfectly exemplifies the problem of combining Spain with Latin America. To put it simply, in order to make a Hispanic TT a lot of vehicles had to be omitted such as the Romano fighters which were used exclusively by Republican Spain, the Vultee V.1A bomber, the G.23 Delfin, The I-16 type 6 & the I-16’s with the Wright Cyclone R-1820-F-54 engine, the Nationalist SB-2M with the Hispano Suiza 12Ybrs engines. On the Latam side, a lot of vehicles are missing as well. Not to mention that some Latam nations in this suggestions are exclusively premiums.
Point is both the Old World Iberians and especially LATAM have more than enough vehicles to make their respective TT’s possible without bloat. Adding the two together is a lose-lose.
Oh yeah Old World Iberia and Latin America geopolitically don’t align together that much either. The only Latin American country to show any support during the Spanish Civil war is the Mexicans siding with the Republicans. Every other Latin American nation is either ambivalent or only shown tacit support at most towards either side. That is one example and there’s may examples but end it at that.
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Yes please, it is high time
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+1 It would be great if they added both, as well as a Naval Branch (even though nobody plays it), even if it’s a lot of copy-pasting. China is also largely copy-pasted, and they forget that it’s one of the most played important NK nations by the player base. Besides, I see Gaijin as capable of making some money. I’d like to see the Bristol M.1 as Chile’s reserve aircraft in its Bristol M.1C variant, which was planned for use in the 1920 conflicts against Peru with its British 7.7mm machine guns. They even arrived in Chile with their machine guns installed (although it was one British Vickers .303 machine gun). https://museoaeronautico.dgac.gob.cl/2026/03/25/bristrol-m1c/
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Now for the big list of all the inaccuracies, missing vehicles, better alternatives that I at least know of. I’ll compartmentalise by country
Inaccuracies and missing details.
Spain
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HA-1109’s & HA-1112’s: They could theoretically mount the bombs but they never used operationally. The Gunpods are likely ahistorical for those two vehicles specifically
Ju 290A-5: This vehicle is completely ahistorical since the sole Ju-290 Spain had is a transport and a transport vehicle only and before you say it no it cannot be a “theorical modification” either since some of the weapon loadouts (e.g: MG-131 turrets) Spain never had as well as the nose being completely different.
F-86F’s: F-86’s under Spanish service were designated as “C.5”. Spanish F-86’s were also domestically modified to carry at least Hispano SNORA & SURA rockets.
F-4C: Designated as “C.12”. Spain also modified their F-4’s to use domestic unguided munitions. Spanish F-4C had some upgrades during it’s operational lifespan including some more domestic
F-18: Should have the designation: C.15
AV-8B Plus: Should be called the “EAV-8B Matador II” instead
SM.79 I: Technically correct though Gaijin decided to split this aircraft into 3 variants that are functionally the same; the Serie 1, the Hidden Serie 4 and the Serie 8
Argentina
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G.55A: The Export variants of the G.55 were never mounted with the 20mm autocannons. For Argentina specifically, a engine mounted MG-151 is still possible since they have the cannon in question in stock but never the wing mounted stocks
G.59-2A: The 12.7mm Bredas were never mounted for that specific G.59 variant. That specific armament was only for the two seater variants only.
IA-58A: It’s technically true and technically possible for the Pucaras to use torps however it was only prototyped on the AX-04 (one of the Pucara prototypes). So it would make more sense if it was either removed or split the IA-58A into two variants.
Lancaster B Mk.I: Argentina prototyped their domestic PAT-1 guided bomb using a Lancaster so it could get that weapon
Canberra B Mk.62: Missing several weapons including SNEB rockets and Spanish made bombs. Interestingly enough Argentina also made improvised CM (flares only)
English Electric/BAC Canberra B.Mk.62 - #6 by FU_MANCHU
I.A 63 III Blk II: It should have CM’s and some guided munitions shown in it’s promotional material. It’s also stated it will get those improvements when accepted into service
Mirage 5 Mara, Dagger & Finger: They were all eventually modified to use CM. The Finger and even the Mara can also use AIM-9M’s
Meteor Mk.4 Modificado: It can also use rocketpods as well as T10 rockets
I.Ae 30: It can also use unguided rockets on the wings (T10’s or Oerlikon rockets)
Missing vehicles.
Spain
Spoiler
Romano R.92 & 83: Biplane designed by French firm “Romano” but was exclusively operated by Republican Spain. The 83 had a HS 14 engine armed with 7.5mm guns and the 92 with a 12Ycrs engine and 1 Hispano 404 cannon
Ge.23 Delfin: Spanish built Fifi biplane fighter bombers
Vultee V.1A: Transport vehicle converted into a light bomber by Republican Spain
Na španělském nebi - Vultee V-1A
C.6: Spanish Modified T-6 Texans that used Oerlikon 8cm rockets, domestic (or Italian or German) made bombs and 7.7mm Breda SAFATS, saw combat in Ifrni
Hs-123: Copy n paste from the Chinese and German TT’s but is way too iconic not to add in a Spanish TT, especially since the Nationalists, the Condor Legion and even Escuadrilla Azul operated the vehicle.
RC.12: Combat Recce variant of the F-4 that Spain used came in 2 batches, first in 1978 and the other in 1995. Main difference is that it cannot use a gunpod since it was very limited in Spanish service however in return RC.12’s can use AIM-9L’s and CM’s which the regular C.12 cannot. All of the previous ground attack munitions it can still be utilized
CASA 2.111B: CASA 2.111’s with Rolls Royce Merlin 500 engines instead of Junkers Jumo engines of the A variant
Typhoon Tranche 1: First production run Typhoon without AESA
Typhoon IPA-4: Typhoon prototype and weapons test bed that was produced, tested and operated by Spain specifically since it was the Spanish specifically that tested the weapons during the Typhoon project.
EAV-8B: Initial Spanish variant of the Harrier II similar to the US premium Harrier II
HA-100 Triana: Prototype combat trainer aircraft with similar armaments to the C.6
There’s also the Bf.109E-7, F-2, G-4 & 6 & Fw-190A-3 used by Escuadrilla Azul which even though were part of the Luftwaffe were made of Spanish Airforce Pilot, set up by the Spanish government with Spanish approval and was co-serving under Spain until 1943 where they became volunteers. Would also add that a lot of the Spanish Nationalist aircraft were actually from the Condor Legion which is what Escuadrilla Azul is based off except the roles are reversed. Some of the vehicles in the German TT are technically Conder Legion vehicles, most notably the He-112A-0 as an example
Spain/Egypt
Spoiler
Hispano HA.P-23/Hispano-Helwan HA.300: Supersonic fighter project started by the Spanish with design expertise from Willy Messerschmitt, it was during test glider stage before the Spanish pulled the plug but not before the Egyptians became a joint partner in the project, eventually taking over the project but not before an attempt to also sell of the project to India which they show no interest in. Egypt also attempted to get the Indians interested in the project once the HA-300 project matured. India didn’t accept it either though they did sent some advisers and even a test pilot to train on it. Egypt unlike Spain made functioning prototypes of the aircraft (3 infact) with 7 pre-production vehicles in it’s way before the project being cancelled due to several factors. There’s 3 potential variants to add; the Prototype variants, the pre production models (unfinished) and a prototype with the more powerful Bradner 300 engines.
Granted Spain and Egypt would give their respective variants different loadouts (HS.804 cannons, AIM-9B’s & Spanish ground munitions for the HA.P-23 [proposed] and Gsh-23, R-5S’s R-13’s [pre production variant], Spanish/Egyptian and Soviet ground munitions for the HA-300’s).
Argentina
Spoiler
F4U-5NL: F4U-5 with improved slats, wing and tail controls and a radar akin to what you find on the F6F-5N
FMA/Morane MS.760 Paris: Argentina licensed built the MS.760 Paris, originally a French Design. Unlike the French Design, Argentina gave it more extensive ordinances
DINFIA/FMA/Morane Saulnier 760 "Paris" - A bit more than a trainer..
S-2T: Argentina modified their Trackers to have a turboprop engines for improved performance. Also a Max load increase. Not unique to Argentina However since Taiwan also had the same modification package done to their Trackers.
A-4P, C & Q: These are Argentine Skyhawks before the AR upgrade package. The P is functionally identical to Israel’s A-4H while the C & Q are comparable to the A-4E (early)
MB.326/AT-26 Xavante: Argentina acquired MB-326’s from Italy and Brazil respectively, armament wise is comparable to the MB.326B except it also uses domestic Argentine and French ordinances including the Martin Pescador Missile.
F9F-2B: Identical to the one in the US TT, though it’s strange that the Panthers are excluded but the F9F-8T was added despite the fact that Argentina only had the one Cougar in contrast to the entire squadrons of Panthers and they only got due to an error on the US’s part.
Bolivia
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Cavalier Mustang: Post-war variant of the P/F-51 Mustang built for more Ground Attack profiles, armament wise is similar to the P-51’s that Indonesia and Switzerland operated. El Salvador also is a operator of this Mustang variant as well.
Curtiss CW-14B: Light observation plane turned light bomber that was used by Bolivia during the Chaco War against Paraguay
Honduras
Spoiler
C.101BB: Export version of the C.101 with a different engine. Honduras is the only operator of this model
IAI Sa’ar: Self Explanatory, though it saw just as much action if not more action in Honduran service than it does in Israeli Service
Uruguay
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PBM-5A: Self Explanatory though there’s no TT floatplanes so this is a good potential option to add.
F-80C: Self Explanatory
Better alternatives to existing vehicles
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Fw-56 > Letov S.231 & Spanish Fury > Koolhooven FK.51: Self Explanatory
Do-17E-1 > CANT Z.501: There’s no TT float aircraft and since the Ar-95 is going to be a Premium float, the Z.501 is the next best option.
Ar 68E > Loring R-III: An actual unique Spanish biplane bomber, slower but has a stronger payload (8 50kgs)
He 60 > Various Argentine Floatplanes (P2Y-3A, Supermarine Southampton & Martin 139 WAN as examples): Self Explanatory. Also Argentina operated a lot of floatplanes so there’s plenty to choose from
I-16 type 5 > I-16 type 6: The I-16 type 6 which the Republicans also operated was equipped with an ShKAS lmg
I-16 type 10 > I-16 type 10 (1938): Spainsh built I-16 type 10’s used Wright Cyclone R-1820-F-54 engine instead of their original intended engines, giving them a significant boost in performance.
Bf-109E-1 > Bf-109D-1: Weaker performance over the E-1 but has a engine mounted 20mm FF/M cannon
SB-2M 100A (Republican) > SB-2M 100A (Nationalist .mod): The Nationalists gave their SB-2M’s that were captured and/or grandfathered in extensive modifications, most notably replacing their old engines with Hispano Suiza 12Ybrs engines, among other minor visual differences.
SBs in Spanish Republican service
HA-200E > HA-200B “Al Qahira”: Egypt obtained a license to build HA-200’s, this version is unique due to the fact that it has 20mm HS-804 gunpods which the non-220 Saetta’s don’t have. Egypt also used Sakr missiles as well (licensed built Hispano-Suiza 80mm rockets, which the Egyptians mounted on their MiG-17’s/Lim-5’s). I’m fine with Spain getting some Egyptian aircraft due to the Nasserite regime’s close working relationship with Francoist Spain. Side Note: After the fall of the Francoist regime, Spain sold off their excess ordinances such as unguided bombs to various countries such as Argentina and even to Gaddafi’s Libya in the 1980’s as examples
Spanish F-86F-40 (C.5) > Argentine F-86F-40 : Argentina also operated the F-86F-40 however unlike their Spanish counterparts, Argentina has more extensive modifications done to their Sabres including using Shafrir II missiles and the utilization of domestic (and possibly French) ordinances
Colombian OV-10A > EMB-312 (Various countries including Bolivia, Paraguay and Peru) : Brazilian built aircraft used by a lot of Latin American nations and were used in COIN and Interdiction operations.
Spanish T-33A > Bolivian CT-133AN: Bolivia used T-33’s and it’s Canadian counterpart the CT-133. Bolivia used them as dedicated Ground Attack aircraft with a more expanded loadout from their Spanish counterparts.
Spanish C.101DD > Jordanian C.101CC-04: Jordan operated the C.101, the main difference is that the Jordanian C.101’s have more powerful AAM armaments over their Spanish counterparts, otherwise it’s the same
Ju-290A-5 > The Argentine P-2 Neptunes: As previously stated the Ju-290A-5 is ahistorical while Argentina did operate Neptunes in the Maritime Recce role. Argentina operated the P2V-5, SP-2E & SP-2H.
There’s a lot more to talk about and point out and potential additions but we would be here all day. Point there is that there’s still way more vehicles that are missing, vehicles with inaccuracies and/or missing data in one way or another and better alternatives than what is shown in the suggestion
The Source below, Zona Militar has some interesting images you can find. It’s also quite handy for finding photographic images, particularly Argentine military aircraft
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Thank you so much for mentioning all of this. I’m going to analyze the possible additions to the tech tree and modify the missing or incorrect weaponry. I’d like to know if you have a Discord so you can help me out sometime soon.
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comes with free shark mouth
This is museum replica of one
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+1