id love to have the HFK on this ngl… would make for a great SPAA:
Would this thread be the right one to talk about RM-5 as well? Its kinda the contender project to HFK/KV, also reaches Mach 5, also has an effective range of 12km (though max range is stated at 16km) and also fits the Roland launch tubes
Main difference are the single stage design (compared to the HFKs subcaliber second stage that would reduce drag), presence of a proximity fuze and using the standard Roland guidance system instead of the F&F INS to IR guidance
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yep lol
although last i checked it didnt get past the design phase?
i might be wrong though.
otherwise im all for it lol
I’m not sure
some hypersonic AA missile was test fired, but I’m not sure which it is. Visually it looks close to the RM5 both in terms of general shape and the rectangular rudders.
It was called HFK on MBDA’s website, but its certainly not HFK/KV while MBDA fits the producers of RM5 (Aerospatiale, MBB and Matra merged into MBDA … I think … there were alot of merges)
Same missile (just a fraction of a second later) also appears in this Bayern Chemie presentation, together with LFK/NG (lower left) and yet another missile that appears to be connected to one of the Hypersonic projects (lower center)
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i think youll like this thread, it had some interesting info about all these SAM projects
Where do you think I got the images from?
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haha fair enuf lol, its been a while since i saw em so i couldnt recognise them
btw the missile in the center is the bayern chemie Exp HVM
also i think the first image is a HFK missile… just not the KV.
i know of three HFK missiles.
the L1, L2 and the KV.
this might be the L2 which had (EDIT: NOT, my bad) 50km of range
Could be, though I dont see the connection between BGT (which went up into Diehl Defence) and the test shoots being marketed by MBDA.
Additionally, HFK just stands for HochgeschwindigkeitsFlugKörper (or HyperschallFlugKörper) and seems to be the name for the entire German hypersonic missile project
could you also tell me which missiles were under the MBDA development circle?
it’s a franco-german design, so if added, it should go to both of them (we know gaijin…).
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not the HFK because these are purebred german designs
germany got the vt1, that is french. So the hfk should come to france if coming into the game.
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It doesnt work like that.
The VT-1 from thales was offered to all roland operators.
Germany and France both have it.
The HFK/KV SPECIFICALLY was only a german project offered only to germany.
Maybe if it had progressed further it mightve been offered to others but it wasnt so tough luck.
Plus, the french have the ITO with 8 ready to launch VT-1s.
The FlaRakRad has two… for now.
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Offered, but not accepted. Germany didn’t use VT-1.
As with the VT-1, the HFK/KV is usable by all Roland systems, and therefore should go to all of them.
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Then it should replace the German VT-1 on the FlaRakRad, until then, the VT-1 is a perfect stopgap solution so Germany has a reasonable SPAA at top tier
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my point still stands
it was offered to others. the HFK was not.
also, germany did test the VT-1, euromissile even came up with a modification to do so, upon which thales sued them. but lost the lawsuit.
wrong.
VT-1 is not usable by all roland systems.
roland 1 system cannot use them. also no other can either without some modification (which euromissile did to the single german roland and thales does to the french roland systems (ITO))
the HFK is the same. it cannot be used by anyone except without some modification which was only done to german rolands.
sorry bro.
you cant take this.
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As long as Germany gets preferential treatment by having the VT-1 which was only tested, and who knows on what Roland system, then it sets the precedent for Itos receiving HFK/KV.
When it loses VT-1, then we can talk.
I mean, french Tiger helicopters already received HOT-3 missles they arent physicaly able to shoot. So the equilibrium already exists
Besides that VT-1 was offered but never bought and instead HFK/KV project was never even offered to france it dosent have any valid point to stand as a possibility for other rolands other than germany’s since, unlike VT-1 it was never offered not sold to anyone else"
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VT-1 is a Crotale Missile that was adapted for the Roland system, but from my understanding neither HFK/KV nor RM-5 were ever adapted for the Crotale system (which ITO uses). They arent automatically compatible, or else you would also see Roland-3 on ITO
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