If you can’t fix HESH at least make it do overpressure damage like HE/HEAT does. Currently you need like 2-3x the TNT filler in HESH to overpressure the same plate as a HE/HEAT shell could.
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Heat also does not overpressure like HE does. Iirc there is a cap on how much heat overpressures. Its why the AGM-65B rarely if ever overpressure even tho the warhead is massive.
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Try playing the M60A2. HEAT and HE overpressure feels about the same. HE is a bit more consistent but the difference isn’t big at all.
If you have used high caliber heat you would have noticed the discrepancy between Heat, APHE and HE in terms of overpressure.
Like, the AGM-65B/A is a case study of this.
And ive also used my fair share of 152mm Heat
There are very few APHE shells that have a high enough HE filler for them to deal overpressure damage without penning the armor.
These often don’t overpressure because they hit the thickest part of the armor or Gaijin breaking AGMs.
Large caliber HE and HEAT shells work about the same in terms of OP.
If I may add anecdotal experiences to flesh out smaller calibre OP. (Just incase anyone isn’t sure whether or not it’s practical to use HEAT instead of HE at lower calibres when engaging open top vehicles)
For the Russian 76mm: BR353A (HEAT) and OF350M (HE) no observable difference against trucks, and vehicles with open fighting compartments - Both Shells reliably OP the crew provided the shell detonates on the tank. The muzzle velocity of the OF350M gives it an advantage over the slower HEAT shell.
For the Short 88: Hl.Gr 39 and Sprgr. L/4.5 are more or less identical in terms of effects on enemy vehicles. Again the HE shell has considerably higher velocity and is easier to use.
For the Long 88: Hl.Gr 39 and Sprgr.43 are more or less identical with HE having the higher velocity.
For the Pz.IVs etc Hl.Gr 38B and Sprgr. 34 are identical
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For lower calibers you should always use HEAT. The low TNT will only overpressure open tops anyway so there’s no drawback to using HEAT.
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hesh WORKING JUST like the manufacturers wanted it too, nothing to see here, keep calm and uh…suffer.
I point to the AGM-65 because its textbook. You can see similar behavior with the HEAT shell in the ISU-152
If the vehicle isn’t an open top, the explosion needs to penetrate the armor to apply overpressure.
The better the penetration range, the easier it is to cause overpressure from any chemical shell.
The armor penetration drop-off depends on the weight of the shell, potentially also the weight/filler ratio.
Since HEAT and HESH are generally lighter than HE, they are less likely to cause overpressure from the explosion penetrating the armor.
There’s also a bug that prevents HESH from having this explosive penetration effect under certain circumstances, making HESH even less reliable.
If only people would have voted yes for the fact that explosive ammunitions should do some kind of concussion damages , this would have made HESH and HE a little bit better ( I say a little bit because a 183kg round with 20+ kg of TNT equivalent should just anihilate any vehicule ) . I just find ridiculous that to one shot a Jagdtiger let’s say for example ( even tho that is literally any tanks in the game except open tops ) , what do you have to shoot to kill it consistently ? Go for the tracks ! Absolutely logical … . I wont even offer any kind of help on what the devs should do to so the games is more realistic as well as better balanced because they already should work on the thousands of bugs this game has . Hell I find more bugs EVERYDAY ! That makes me laugh but thats just because I dont want to cry lol .
Except that HEAT ( careful not HEAT-FS ) , just like HESH and HE are not reliable in the game so you are better using the other types of shells . Like the Sherman 105 for example . You have less chance to ricochet and you have a way better overpressure mechanic than the HEAT because the HEAT actually does not overpressure the ennemy tanks if it is not open tops where it actually WILL overpressure tanks that have very thin armor ! Where you actually are better to use HE in that case anyway because HE has a higher velocity . Same thing with the low tier japanese tanks that uses the HEAT shell or a very bad APHE shell the penetrates like 40 mm ( i dont remember ) but what i remember very well is all the non pens on p.38 (t) point blank at 90° on the front plate with the HEAT shell . This is not a one time thing btw i tried this shell a lot and you are just way better using the very bad APHE , destroying barrels , tracks and getting to the side in the worst case scenario ,rather than playing the lottery firing HEAT . This is basically the same thing for pzIIIs ( I dont play germany low BR so I dont know if there is multiple but at least the german premium pzIII and the F2P italian one ) they have the same problem . ( There might be other examples like said higher with the SU-152 or the Super Sherman but i mainly play France because the suffer never ends lol. I wish a very good luck on the people grinding the AMX using HEAT with no stab at 8.3 x) )