I would like to get some help to learn how to properly dogfight using these 2 aircraft;
Su33 Mig21
Guns only, no shoot in head on, etc. I’d like to have fair opponents and someone who can help me to actually get better at dogfighting. I ain’t gonna say I’m shit but I’m mediocre at best, I’d like to get better. For su33 I would like to learn how to beat (or atleast have a fair chance against) aircraft like F15, F18, Eurofighter, Gripen and rafale, I’d even love to maybe beat an f16 lol. For Mig21 I’d like to do the same but for other rate fighters like the f16, f5, f20, mirage. and id like to learn how to beat f4s and I NEED TO BEAT a Mig23 please (using a Mig21)
Any tips or training would be greatly appreciated and I’m willing to join squads too!!
Please help me I’m near enough trash in dogfights I wanna get better.
(I play on kbm)
For perspective the su33 moves like su27sm just slower and a bit better turn rate at lower speeds cus of canards.
How am I supposed to wait till he’s slow… they accelerate like rockets and turn pretty good, so what do I do straight after the merge, one circle or two circle it?? Then what? Just keep him turning on me till he’s slow enough then hopefully pop a shot in the rare case he doesn’t run away?
lol I thought so for the big 3. The EF and Rafale outweigh me in every way possible except actual weight. Only way I’ll beat them is if I get a r73 popped on them with missiles.
Although I’ve beat gripens before guns only, I just think he was shit though. I think F16s and Gripens I only really have a chance within the first 2 turns if they’re dumb right??
So with an f18 do I have a better turn rate than him and roll rate I think ? For an f18 should I try 2 circle or 1 circle him??
Well you can’t really dogfight an F-15, because none of them WILL dogfight you, you have much better rate and instantaneous than he does so I would try two circle
That’s effectively it, with guns only he can just out accelerate you, which is why it’s difficult for me to give you advice
Realistically you’re not winning any fights against a competent Gripen pilot, and F-16s are kinda hit or miss. They’re better at low speeds but if you’re good with AOA toggle timing you can hit that instantaneous in the first two turns like you said.
At low speeds the Hornet clears you with everything except instantaneous, you have better engines, providing nobody has missiles I’d recommend just bleeding his speed using the verticals, to the point he’s too slow, or forcing an overshoot with your airbrakes etc, it’s difficult for me to say due to not having the aircraft, I’m recommending you what I would do in my Fulcrum due to them having similar enough flight models
Pull as much as you can and hope your r73 will hit him
Keep your speed and try to rate-fight him at ~700-750 kph and try to get a missile fired during that
Try to vertical rate him by flying vertical loops, during that try to have a speed of around 700 kph at the bottom of the loop and atleast 350 kph at the top of the loop.
Being faster than that isn’t bad it means you can pull a bit more on your way down of the loop to gain extra position but you definitely don’t want to go below those speeds especially below the 700kph at the bottom of the loop because regaining that speed isn’t that easy in the Su-33