If you would like to ignore my words, you can choose not to reply bruh
Thought I didn’t have to make clear again that main base zone as in Squad can delete ordinance, so AGM kills on AF will also disappear. We don’t have AF bombing in most matches anyways.
While I do agree with you points, I have several counterarguments regarding “Helicopter Pads AAA” and “Modifications”
The modification is in relevance to Air RB modification costs, which - to my experience - is okay. Helicopter RP modifier are mostly similar to its aircraft counterpart at its respective Rank. However, what makes the grind tedious is the - you guess it - the gamemode’s RP modifier (Heli PvE had a very weird RP gain). I mean, brother, 10k RP for 3h of gameplay with 100 AI kill? Yeah, nah, I’d rather play Heli PvP when it was an absolute clusterfuck
Helicopter AAA (or in your statement, AI SPAA) could be a great addition to GRB, However with a very limited implementation (like for example, the far helipad should be defended by Gepard, and the close helipad should not be defended at all, or just add one helipad at a 6km distance and let Gepard AI defend it or something).
It should be noted that, back in the day, helipads were defended by AI AAA akin to the main airfield’s AAA, which is horrible. It discourages enemy aircraft from destroying helicopters and it encourages helicopters to just spawncamp their helipad, which - to my opinion as a helicopter lover - is annoying.
I mean, it was a good implementation to deter helipad spawncamping, but man does it annoys me very much when I use my aircraft to dogfight enemies above the helipad and gets AAA sniped.
You make little sense, repeating yourself in a understandable manner would be nice
Playing the Italian first Huey has been hell, it’s mod costs are too high being 10-12 k, while you only have 12 dumb rockets, and two 7.62 mini guns. (Many others including this) have terrible modification rewards for the costs, and heli sim matches are even worse. (Pre nerf, when the mode first came out, they were good, but gaijin doesn’t wish to pay out on their time for the players to have a good, enjoyable / profitable grind).
Most matches I can only get a few hundred rp in this helicopter at best.
Yes I know that spaa used to be there for the heli pads, what I’m suggesting is merely 1-2 Gepard 1a2 or ZSU-23-4M2 (igla carrying one) perhaps 1.5 km behind the closest helicopter spawn. Most maps I played earlier, spawned me 4 miles away (whatever that is in km.) so if the spaa is 5 miles away, for example, it’s more realistic.
The Gepard / zsu being chose is far more fair than the flak that is guaranteed to kill your air vehicle over time. As the Gepard won’t have a guaranteed hit chance (unless gaijin makes it a convoy aa which we all know the convoy spaa is buffed to make it unfair for us).
All this to say, YOU have to put YOURSELF in a bad position to be engaged by these.(not meaning you actually). It’s not going to totally save a helicopter from say, an Aim120 or the like.
but gun runs will be far harder, and far more fair for the helicopters. It’s also better than adding spawn protection near the heli pads.
A great example, is I was flying Italy’s first heli earlier, trying to spade it via anti helicopter duties, and caps in grb. But before I was 100 feet from the runway, a plane strafed in and hit my tail. Not being able to lock an enemy plane to attack, makes that even harder to fight back.
Then I went to play my KA-50, a far more capable helicopter… and the same thing occurred, but due to having better tools, I was able to use my 30mm to counter it. (With decent damage to the helicopter). If I was any further I would’ve been counted as a kill. As the turbo shaft died due to damage from a fire.
You can’t effectively spawn camp planes as you can helicopters, nor should you be able to against ground targets.
Sadly the guns will be either not hitting at all (ARB veak) or dead zone (Sim gepard). There’s nothing in between like a player gepard, which should do just well.
If rotor doppler signal is added, only multipath can save heli , but it’s very effective
Without multipath heli will be spawn camped worse…
Now we don’t have rotor doppler signal, no radar msls can be effective to counter heli
All above combined with IR countermeasures, only guns and AGM can be used now, but 2A42 can lock people up and shoot apds so guns won’t be good even out of spawn, while shooting Mavs has always been a choice but it can also spawn camp regardless of any AAA.
This leads to the immortal zone design, no enemy can enter, ordinance will disappear, absolutely safe but you can’t fire inside, preventing planes from being shot when helipad range covers their exit route. The only prob is the celling, since shooting missiles (AA/AG) right on the celling and dive in when danger is close is definitely cancer. But if the pad is ranged enough, it won’t happen; if it still does, one would be countering spawn camp since the distance shows that the camp is intended, not the case where pad is too close on the route. .
I think grinding the helicopter parts in ground assault is easier in comparison, still take along ass time but you guarantee progress by investing more time, unlike bringing it into the match against other players, sometimes you make no progress if you can’t land even a hit.
I agree.
LWS on most tanks make ATGMs hard to land, even more so APS systems in certain tanks make ATGMs impossible to land, unless you manage to run the APS out of charges.
There are plenty of aa to counter helicopters, especially the new OSA spaas.
Helicopters generally feel like a fish out of water… which just fills me with anger, regret, sadness, etc.
I’m not saying helicopters should be immune by any right, just it should be fair for everyone involved.
Lower ended helis <10.0 having it worse if there is one M247 on the map lol really have no chance in hell, you can start a heli killing marathon with the Sergeant York and you might achieve a record of 100-0 against helicopters in that respective br
Playing heli sim is so bad with the damage model changes, especially in the Mi-24D.
They killed this game mode
Helis are annoying. If they got more protection than them being so far away nothing but planes can kill them they would literally break GRB.
The highlights of my games are always killing them and saving people from having to deal with them, especially if I can use a guided bomb
How would it change anything? It would prevent gun runs, and super easy kills on helis. ARH aams would still kill them, ground spaa would still be able to kill them.
It’s prevents:
Gun runs
And helis spawn camping helis.
Seems rather fair
Plane CAS is still hella OP in comparison
at the cost of making resupply helipad camping even more powerful
There should be no SPAA with a range beyond about 1km on the forward helipad.
That will prevent helipad camping, and that’s it. Nothing else is needed.
1Km forward of first spawn is till less than 85% to the battlefield at top tier, at lower tier, it’s about 75%
I don’t see how people are so okay with CAS elements being untamed other than helicopters.
If it was 2km range, that’s a decent bit fair.
At lower tier it could be just normal spaa with no ir aams.
At higher tiers it could be Gepard 1a2s, lav-ads etc.
Typically the Germans in the Tiger UHT are the only ones who can do this.
For example my mi-24D is borderline useless as anytime I get in it a plane is already trying to kill me.
Forward helipad AA just creates a safe zone for CAS that shouldn’t be there. If you want a safe zone, go to the far helipad.
It would be more of a safe zone for helis, but making planes fearful would also be nice.
Considering many planes run for the AF already, it wouldn’t change much
Grinded three helicopter tree’s thus far (ISR, UK & USSR), and my overall thoughts are :
The grind is awful. Far worse than any other vehicle category in WT. PVE is the only meaningful way to make progress and it’s a boring, bug ridden mess in which you compete with far too many ‘teammates’ for not nearly enough targets. All whilst being time gated in your earnings thanks to the awful useful actions system.
Gameplay in ground battles is either high highs or low lows. No SAM’s up? You pretty much have free reign to wipe half the enemy team. But you’re only ever one competent AA player away from being played out the match (which honestly, I’m fine with, SAM’s should be an ultimate deterrence). The experience is either tankers not having fun or Heli’s having fun. Only one extreme or the other. Which isn’t a healthy gameplay loop for anyone.
Would love to see some sort of implementation of Heli’s into Sim EC. There are huge hurdles to overcome with this, not least how balance things like TY-90 (and if they should even be allowed in the mode at all). But it would actually permit a place to have fun in helicopters - something no game mode currently offers.
Heli’s who don’t have their damage modules updated should be reverted back the old system of damage. It is ridiculous having your weapons system knocked out by a singular MG hit to an irrelevant part of the airframe
Low tier Heli’s with ATGM’s are a huge balance problem, in that they exist at BR’s where no SAM’s exist to counter them. A well played Alouette / Scout etc is nigh untouchable. Idk what the solution here is. Maybe add lower BR manpads like just some dude stood on the back of a Toyotas flatbed with a Stinger / Igla etc lol.
Heli IR signature is far too low. Something like a Stinger not being able to lock them beyond 2km sometimes feels wrong.
I do not think Helipads should have AA / SAM’s covering them. Some countries still have no ground based means of countering Heli’s, and adding an AI AA deterrence would be unfair to them given CAP is their only means of counterplay. Heli’s IR signature is so low that you’re often forced to gun them, and potent AA makes that unviable. It’d also make Chinese Heli’s a near untouchable flying AA platform.
I agree with 90% of this except:
IR sig are super high for the Hind and others. I’ve been able to be locked at far as 6km out with the LAV-AD, while having irccm jammers on, Hirss, and launching flares after the stinger is fired.
the early helis ATGMs aren’t that good. Any Gepard, ItPsV, PGZ, chieftain marksman’s or m247 can decimate helis. (Italy and Russia suffer the most in anti helicopter aa).
the Chinese helis would have to leave spawn to kill anything, which they often spawn in, fly to the enemy spawn, and wait, and get 4-5 free kills. This would severly reduce the risk of spawning and dying to a camping heli as well as a plane.
What I do agree with:
The sim PVE and rb be rewards should be increased. Being top in my team earlier in a premium heli, with premium time, I only got 37k research. Which may seem like a lot, but I had a 20% booster on as well. For a 1.5 hours long match, it’s really not worth it. If it was maybe 45k I wouldn’t have minded.
Ground RB rewards should be nearly doubled for helis, in GRB I feel like I earn literally nothing.
Yes helicopters are OP until any CAS / spaa are up, then, unless your in an F&F helicopter, your toast, especially if a plane is up.
CAS players in planes are by far the most dominant and “turn the tide” weapon on the battlefield.
The heli damage models should be reverted for the larger helicopters. Things like the Alouette and Ah-1G live far too much damage as is, literally eating 150 12.7 rounds, and R-60s or Aim-9Ls is a bit odd.
Playing the MI-24D as a good example, it is equipped with Falangas which are okay for 8.0, but 8.7 is too much, as a Gepard will erase you before you have a chance. Or something carrying an .50 cal hits your chassis’s and it’s back to the helipad if you can make it. Especially since a poor hit from it hitting the top rear of the fuselage behind the engine knocks every system on the helicopter instantly.
Something nicknamed the “flying tank” should have some utility and armor to it, I feel like I’m flying an M22 shooting at Somuas or something instead.
