I think the AA would be better than what top tier German BBs currently have available, which is nothing aside from a handfull of slow firing 88mm guns.
I wouldn’t be at all surprised if Gaijin changes the rules for naval to allow Montana.
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I wouldn’t expect that to ever occur. The issue with the Montana is that is falls under a true paper vehicle, as the minimum requirement is for a vehicle to have parts built for that very specific vehicle even if used by other vehicles must have been built with the intention to be used on that specific vehicle. The Montana class never had any materials gathered for building the ships, so it doesn’t pass the most lenient of rules gaijin currently has in place, and the only way to make it possible to add is to allow true paper vehicles to be added to the game or at the very least somehow, they take exception to it but then they are guaranteed to get a bunch of discussion around paper vehicles being in-game since it goes against the rules they have for vehicles. The reason gaijin was able to change the rules before is because these changes didn’t completely violate the existing rules of no paper vehicles as they were vehicles that were only partially built which therefore means they existed but were never completed, this rule allows for incomplete vehicles that never had the chance to be completed to actually be added to the game since they actually existed which heavily benefits naval, which take the Russian Bluewater as it currently is, if they didn’t change the rules they wouldn’t have any more battleships to add outside the single Revenge class battleship the British loaned, but we wouldn’t see any further Russian battleships outside whatever was left from the Russian empire.
The Iowa class should still be easily sufficient with what could be added, with the only real ships that could warrant a Montana somehow making its way into the game being either potentially the Lion class depending on which version(s) they choose to add, and the A-150 for Japan which did actually have enough material assembled for it that it made the suggestion rule requirements though gaijin could perhaps balance it due to the nature of how far it got and what information their might be.
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The Lion class (or at least the first 2 ships) were laid down, so they’re fair game under current rules. The question regarding them is whether Gaijin will allow for any of the major revisions to the design that happened after Lion and Temeraire were already laid down. Same for the German H class, actually. Would they be wiling to include one of them to the H-41 design?
And as for Montana, that would be entirely up to Gaijin. They were able to revise the rules to allow ships that were laid down but never completed because Gaijin sets all the rules in the first place. It’s not as if this is some externally imposed rule that Gaijin is only allowed to interpret rather than outright changing. If they decide in the future that actually they will allow paper ships on a case-by-case basis, they’d be allowed to do that. It’s their game. You’re probably right that it’s unlikely, but I could still see it happening.
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In terms of the H-41 the answer is quite simply no. The reason being the H-41 is a separate design that made improvements over the H-39 however at no point was it decided they would complete the H-39’s they laid down to this modified design of the H-41 not to mention the halt of all work on the ships. As for the Lion class, adding them in their planned configuration at time of keel laying is fully plausible and perhaps some of the early revisions of the design might also be acceptable, however most of the revised designs could only be applied to Lion as Temerarie had her keel scrapped during the war due to the state of the ship’s completion, however Lion stuck around for the entire war and all these designs were considered as to complete the ship to an improved specification since more work had been done on Lion but not so much that modifying the design was out of the question, otherwise they probably would have scrapped Lion as well and then I would imagine they would have tried to mess with the design of Vanguard so rather than use the 15-inch guns and turrets they had lying around instead salvage what might have been left of the work of the Lion class and implement it on Vanguard if possible. The only version of Lion which is off the books is the singular version with 15-inch guns since the rest were to have included the 16-inch guns originally designed which were in fact built.
In short, the design of the H-41 was never intended to see the existing H-39 ships be built instead to the new specification, and the Lion class underwent major design revisions which were considered during the war that would have used the existing keel(s) and for the most part guns as well. Adding the H-41 would fall under the same vain as adding Montana.
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After adding Bismarck today, which is completely abysmal at this moment, I want to emphasize urgency of adding H-39. Or any competetive ships. We already have Challanger 3 and many otherss. So reasoning, that It was never finished is not valid at all.
Well, H-39’s armor isn’t improved at all compared to Bismarck’s; so it would basically be a Bismarck with slightly better firepower. Would still be annihilated at the first 16 inch salvo.
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Sadly you are correct, .Bismarck is just simple updated Bayern-class ship. It would not break the game. It would still underpeform in comparison to few other vessels, therefore It would not break even to some. I wish we would get something more mediocre to keep up with others. 8.3 is also a joke,. Premium Gneisenau is most likely going to be better and overperforming than Bismarck.
Yeah, thats awesome!
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Let’s hope she’s got teeth unlike Lion.
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She got Torpedos so you can play like a oversized gunboat which is a viable strategy funny enough.
I doubt it tbh. 8x40.6cm guns, 30s reload most likely, and a very marginal improvement to Bismarks armor, with significantly worse AA. Probs just gonna get oneshot by all other nations 16" guns like the Bismark does atm.
Her guns should be a touch better than Lions though? AP shells are 50kg lighter, but at 810m/s vs Lions 747m/s, bursting charge is about the same.
They should be almost identical to Lions, barring the difference in muzzle velocity.
She shouldn’t have torps.
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Most common sources state 6 × 53.3 cm (21 in) torpedo tubes
They just need to adjust the BRs, so ships like Bismarck don’t have to face Soyuz and Iowa. Right now its a bit pointless to spawn, cause you nuke up with the first volley, while you can’t harm them.
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Iowa is tough as nails… but it dies, Yamato cant pen the soybean from 9km… it’s not just a matter of the wrong BRs, naval damage models are broken on a fundamental level.
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HMS Lion is basically a free kill against Iowa unless the Iowa broadsides.
Then HMS Lion might get a cheeky shell room detonation