as much as i’d love this missile on an actually good platform, instead of the tragedy that is the IRIAF, this is way too much of a strech.
at that point, might as well add the AIM-152 with some guesswork, it’d be more authentic. would be way more fun than the fakour too :)
The Fakour 90 is a Fox 1 in reality (but not according to gaijin which chose to beleive propaganda), and is only usable on 2 of the IRIAF Tomcats nonetheless. Absolutely not usable on any US F-14 which were all retired before this missile was even created.
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Not quoite sure, i dont think they will remove the active seeker from the Phoenix and put a trash SARH seeker, unless you have any proof of it.
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Lma. How do you know it’s a SARH? Where’s the proof?
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The AD-40A missile which is a export variant of the Fakour-90 is a active radar homing missile, what makes you think Iran would produce a inferior missile than what they export? Both the Fakour-90B and initial Fakour-90s are ARH missiles, only difference being motor.
It’s like saying the F-22A in reality is made out of wood, and saying otherwise is American propaganda lmao.
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The Fakour 90 isn’t an Aim-54+, it’s a Sedjil with Phoenix control surfaces, literally just a hawk missile that has better guidance. The Hawk is known to only be capable of pulling 15Gs (unlike ingame as seen on the Sedjil) while the Aim-54A/C are capable of pulling ~24.7Gs using dual plane pull. This simple fact is the likely reason for using said control surfaces instead of the former, as well as the capability to mount more then 2 of them by using the F-14s belly pylons.
They didn’t take out a ARH seeker, it was always a SARH seeker, they never replaced it. There’s video of the firing of the Fakour 90, and the pilots say “Fox 1”, that’s all the proof I need. Anything stating it’s a Fox 3 is just propaganda really…
I want you to proof the sources.
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show the video.
This AD-40A? Where the pilot audibly says “Fox 1” in a test launch? (I’ll go find the Fakour 90 “Fox 1” video my friend referenced in a moment, if this isn’t the video itself).
This article was where it all started, as they were the first to call the legitimacy of the missiles claimed capabilities into question:
Not to mention the Fakour 90s range is overpreforming ingame, as compared to the Aim-54 it’s supposed to be slightly less overall range, which is made up for by the better kinematic at close range. Gaijin thinks it’s just better overall. It isn’t really, it’s a trade off of sorts.
Mind you gaijin still thinks the Iranian tomcats could use the R-27R1, when it’s common knowledge that the attempt to make the F-14s radar and the R-27 compatible with one another was unsuccessful. It couldn’t use the missile, yet it’s very much present ingame… that’s just gaijin for ya everyone…
I’m under the impression this is simply a glorified Hawk missile, and I understand you may believe differently, but I have serious doubts about this missiles capabilities. Iran media claimed it has 300km range… so I very much doubt it’s even ARH, I hope you now understand why/where I’m coming from in this regard. There’s quite a lack of verifiable information on this missile, which is understandable given how modern it is and the classified nature of it.
I do hear “Fox 1” so that does check out. It’s kinda weird though because it’s said here by Iranian sources that the missile has “a guidance system that enables it to hit a target independently of the launch aircraft’s radar.” Which is saying it’s an ARH missile. I think we will have to wait for more details about the missile, given that this video is obviously a recording of a test missile in testing and doesn’t represent the final product. Great find though!
(also the same article says 150km range and Mach 5 which is a lot more realistic than the 300km range)
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It’s really interesting and confusing, I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s a Fox 3, but I also wouldn’t put it Iran to make a really long range 1 for cost/budgetary or practical reasons. Until more information comes out, it makes sense for it to a Fox 3 ingame especially for making the IRIAF F-14A more unique. (If they do end up nerfing the Fakours, either it be range or guidance, I do hope they add the Fatir in the meantime so it remains competitive, or perhaps improving its radar, as it’s been noted to have improved ground clutter rejection capabilities iirc.)
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I’ve always said the IRIAF could get the R-73, 6 Fakour-90s, maybe some sort of flarepods or rwr buffs somehow, and send it to 13.3.
Someone’s literal voice isn’t a credible source, as reliable as people saying the T-72s autoloader chops arms.
Remember that the Fakour-90 is the same AIM-54 except that it has an aditional boosters implemented on it, thats why its performing that, you will have to show more proof of it.
What’s funny is how gaijin has it with the same G-Pull as the Sedjil, when it should be identical to or lower than the Aim-54, not the Sedjil/Hawk. It uses the same control surfaces after all. But gaijins too lazy for that it seems, they just copied and pasted a few stats and called it a day… (and if they give the Aim-54 and this missile the dual plane G-Pull it’s lacking, both missiles would have ~24.7Gs & ~21-22Gs of pull respectively. Fakour 90 buff when gaijin lmaooo).
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Just googled it and there’s basically nothing on the missile. Just seems to be a local production of the AIM-9P
Can it even get flare pods?
Yeah the RWR on the F-14 is really shite. You will detect MiG-23’s but not most other aircraft. You’d expect it to be able to detect the F-14 but no.
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There’s very little information, but multiple images of multiple variations do exist. It’s speculated to be a Aim-9P with some form of IRCCM.
I find the proposal to add the Fakour-90 to the F-14D to be quite far-fetched, so, I’ll have to disagree with it.
While I appreciate the engagement with this suggestion, this discussion is not directly related to the topic at hand. I’d like to ask everyone to stick to the subject of the F-14D, please. Thanks.
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Id rather see the aim-120 or even the aim-152 on the F-14D than the fakour-90 on it. The aim-152 would be more unique, but sadly was only a mock up to my knowledge, while the AMRAAM while not fully intergrated with the F-14D, to my knowledge, had some of the software to guide it, so itd be more plausible. 4 underbelly amraams, 4 under each wing and 2 sidewinders would make the F-14D quite potent.
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I think there’s a basis to say there could be a dual rack of Aim-120s on the back underbelly pylons too. Totaling 10. Plus, I mean this photo exists…
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