Grumman F-14D Super Tomcat - End of a Legendary Era

[MikeyPlayzonYT]

@warthogboy09

At this point it’s not even likely to come before US AESA anyway unfortunately.

And it can pretty much be looked at as the F-15C/E radar with moderately longer range, but those are both considerably underperforming in that regard anyway.

I think you might be right, but I have some hope that it’ll come by mid-2025.

It basically is the F-15E’s AN/APG-70 Radar mixed with the AWG-9s power, but instead of the processing power being used for AtG roles, it’s used to reduce notch susceptibility and long-range detection.

@warthogboy09

Which don’t exist in-game

It will soon enough. Too many later planes rely on it.

@warthogboy09

That is stretching reality far beyond what can be expected for AIM-120s. I would argue ACIMD/AIM-152 are more realistic than 9X for 14D

Well, all Aim-9M launchers are compatible with the Aim-9X, so it’s not that far-fetched. Aim-152 is the real reality stretcher. It would be nice to have, but there’s zero chance.

@warthogboy09

Retired too early

Doesn’t matter. It was an upgrade to the bomb itself and required no software changes on the aircraft. If the aircraft can laze and is compatible with the JDAM, it can use the LJDAM.

@warthogboy09

Nope, was never even an integration goal due to the F/A-18 already covering that role.

This one was a stretch I must admit.

[warthogboy09]

@ItzMikeyzWRLD-psn

Well, all Aim-9M launchers are compatible with the Aim-9X

Launcher compatibility =/= weapons integration

Integration means carriage, jettison, and launch flight testing. You can’t even prove a 9X was hung as a mockup, let alone any of that.

@ItzMikeyzWRLD-psn

It basically is the F-15E’s AN/APG-70 Radar mixed with the AWG-9s power, but instead of the processing power being used for AtG roles, it’s used to reduce notch susceptibility and long-range detection.

I’m well aware of what it does. I’m saying the APG-70 already significantly underperforms in both maximum detection and max track range. I see no reason to assume they would model the APG-71 as anything other than a slight(5-10%) increase in those aspects. The IRST being unquestionably an IRST is frankly more important given the devs current stance on sensor fusion.

@ItzMikeyzWRLD-psn

Doesn’t matter. It was an upgrade to the bomb itself and required no software changes on the aircraft. If the aircraft can laze and is compatible with the JDAM, it can use the LJDAM.

It does matter.

[MikeyPlayzonYT]

@warthogboy09

Launcher compatibility =/= weapons integration

Integration means carriage, jettison, and launch flight testing. You can’t even prove a 9X was hung as a mockup, let alone any of that.

You don’t need integration. Aim-9Xs are backward compatible with planes that support the Aim-9M. The Aim-9X was in service at the time of the F-14D.

@warthogboy09

I’m saying the APG-70 already significantly underperforms in both maximum detection and max track range. I see no reason to assume they would model the APG-71 as anything other than a slight(5-10%) increase in those aspects. The IRST being unquestionably an IRST is frankly more important given the devs current stance on sensor fusion.

I think you’re misunderstanding. It’s not a derivative of the APG-70. It’s an evolution of the AWG-9. It shares the most commonality with the -70, but it’s not a variant.

[warthogboy09]

@ItzMikeyzWRLD-psn

I think you’re misunderstanding.

The one misunderstanding things here is you.

[MikeyPlayzonYT]

well then? Explain how I’m misunderstanding.

[warthogboy09]

You take the brains(computers) of the APG-70, the antenna of the APG-70(scaled up) and the digitization of the APG-70 then pair it to the power supply used by the AWG-9. yes, it’s definitely not a derivative. It definitely shares more in common with an analog radar…

[Knuckles7080-live]

Wdym “q.e.d” like it needed to be demonstrated?

[MikeyPlayzonYT]

@warthogboy09

brains(computers) of the APG-70

As I just said, it’s the AWG-9, just digitalized.

@warthogboy09

the antenna of the APG-70(scaled up)

You can say that about any radar’s antenna with the way you’re using it.

@warthogboy09

It definitely shares more in common

I said it has more commonality with the APG-70. However, it’s not based on the APG-70.

[Knuckles7080-live]

Also isn’t the awg9 X band?

[warthogboy09]

You have no idea what you’re talking about

[Knuckles7080-live]

Well where are the sources to prove what you’re talking about? Can’t just say something and not prove at least one source

[warthogboy09]

That literally goes the exact same for what he is saying you realize?

The difference is we know the APG-71 uses the components and specifically the computers from the APG-70 which is what a make a radar a radar, genius

[Knuckles7080-live]

Still no source. And no I don’t know everything about radars witch is why I want you give something of a source so I can see weather this facts from wiki or something more solid

[warthogboy09]

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.forecastinternational.com/archive/disp_old_pdf.cfm%3FARC_ID%3D113&ved=2ahUKEwiLvMLXwpmMAxXfIjQIHZlvAPkQFnoECCQQAQ&usg=AOvVaw3QTjMjwOdo2Ej1P8I3QFzS

I don’t much like forecast international, but it’s more than he has provided.

The APG-71 does not exist without the 85% commonality with the APG-70, and those components are what makes a radar a radar.

[condor777645-psn]

EFT has a crappy radar, the Rafale is great overall and the SU30 is, both the EFT and Rafale both have the advantage of amazing missiles (which maybe the F14D will get hopefully); while also adding that the SU30 has now great missiles.

The F14 airframe is still also competitive in dogfights as I can speak from experience, managing to outmaneuver small fighters like the F16, to the newly added SU30 and it’s TVC

Let’s see if and when it gets added and we’ll see how it is only then

[quartas121]

Ah come on. If Navy used EGBU I’d try for those instead of LJDAM, since those were around when F-14D was in service

[kitsune_qq]

TBH main joke - gaijin doesnt even asks for ability to guide it(set GPS)… at least UMPK can got coordinates mid flight(in game, irl cant).

[MikeyPlayzonYT]

it can get both.

[Sea_Harrier_FRS1]

I personally don’t understand why they won’t put the effort into modelling the CAPTOR-M, maybe because an EFT is in the British tree and therefore it musn’t be given proper attention

[quartas121]

No, because LJDAM wasn’t even in prototype stage when F-14 was retired