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Scribd F-14 NATIP Change Overview (2004) Page A.13
I cannot post it here because it is DISTRIBUTION STATEMENT C.
Unless you find anything from the upgrade package proposal, it is quite a hard “NO” with no grey area; at least for F-14 AM, there are no official reports stating that the R-27 R1 conversion failed.
Yeah that’s one of the two documents that doesn’t talk about the aim7p II and also doesn’t say it can’t use the aim7p II it just talks about the aim7p 1
Most documents I read talk about the aim7 in general or the aim7m I never really read one talking about the aim7p-1 or aim-7p 2 when when it comes to mentioning the f14 other then 4 of them so far
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This explanation is enough to fire any bug report manager and recruit a few kids.
Restricted files for me but not for thee.
Still AIM-7P with its IOG can be used
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I’m guessing the reason they won’t is because it would affect F/A-18 sales. Disappointing.
The AIM-7P would make the F-14D feel much more unique.
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The source is 2004, and the AIM-7P Block II was introduced in 1993. Block l and II seem to both apply here
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Expect 1998,2000,2004,2005 documents doesn’t mention the block 2 only the block one basically like the NAVY Training System Plan For The AIM-7M/P it doesn’t specify if the f14D can or can’t use aim7p2 only the aim7p and like I said one does mention the aim7p2 but doesn’t specify its capabilities with the f14D and it has other miss information on it as well. the aim7p2 existed at the time but for some reason it isn’t included in these documents
The document states that all the upgrades on AIM-7P are transparent to all F-14s, and their functionality on F-14 is identical to AIM-7MH; the AIM-7P mentioned should cover both Block I and Block II.
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Then they would have mentioned the aim7p2 upgrades as well in all three documents but they don’t like I said I’m pretty sure they’re talking about the aim7p-1 upgrades not the aim7p2 so no I don’t think they’re talking about both the block 1 and 2 missiles in the full statement of what they said
thats only for the AWG-9 not the APG-71 the APG-71 is still classified to the max same with AWG-9 the only thing we know is the AWG-9 cant the APG-71 probably can since its shared parts are from the APG-70 of the F15E if it has a DATA link station for it can if it doesnt it cant but we dont know that
Page A.13 was F-14 D, Page A.12 was F-14 A/B.
Both pages have the same remark.
Only Block II has Data Link as far as I know.
Dude I already know what the difference between them btw keep that in mind and go re read that page and tell me where it even mentions the block 2 variant and no that statement you said early is not including both the 1 and 2 variants it’s only talking about the aim7p 1…even the list of variants missiles it show it’s only talking about the “aim7p improved low altitude capability” that’s it not the fact that’s theirs another with DL just look at the aim54 variant list it mentions almost of phoenix missile
The new computer processor and software change, as only Block II is reprogrammable. Not to mention, if the statement stated that all F-14s would fire an AIM-7 P like an MH, why would Block I or II make any difference? They would all fire like MH.
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I’m pretty sure the aim7p-1 also had a new computer processor
Because their only talking about the aim7p-1 not the 2 if they where also talking the 7p-2 as well they would have listed both models just like did for the aim7m and aim7mh
Not the one that can have software change (reprogrammable).
Besides, it is the F-14 limitation. It guided every 7P like a 7MH. If F-14 only designated 7P Block I as 7 MH, but 7P Block II as 7P. Why would the manual review in 2004, 11 years after the introduction of Block II, not specifically state that F-14D radar designated AIM 7P Block II as AIM 7P?
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Honestly, the main point is that there was literally a software version that let the AIM-7P actually be used the way it was supposed to. Right now, we’re dealing with paper-only planes or fictional additions just thrown in for balancing. We are going to get to a point in the game where there won’t be actual data to use when we start getting into 5th gen fighters, so why wouldn’t they allow it.
They really only have two options here: remove the R-27 from the F-14 IRIAF or give the Super Tomcat its AIM-7P.
But we all know that the AIM-7P seems to be only limited to the Hornet and they want to keep it that way for reasons.
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For R-27R1 :
There is a picture of an R-27R1 mounted on an Iranian F-14A, and no primary source stated that the test failed.
For AIM-7P :
There is a primary source that states that AIM-7P are functionally identical to AIM-7MH when fired from all F-14s. There could be public records stating that the US Navy was planning to upgrade F-14s to datalink AIM-7P, but none have been found yet.
Quite a few people here think that AIM-7P is the midpoint between the current version and putting the AIM-120 onto F-14D and even advocate for just adding the AIM-7P into the F-14D as some kind of compromise. But the fact is, F-14s having datalink AIM-7P is less historically accurate than having the AIM-120. The datalink AIM-7P is part of the cancelled F-14D upgrade plan. It is either getting all or getting none; no third option.
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We don’t even know if the apg71 even designated the aim7p 2 as aim7p in general possibly only the aim7p 1 because it literally says “sms sp-m” next to “aim7p improved low altitude capabilitys” so idk know what to tell you as theirs hardly any information about it I already told you as well it’s only talking about the aim7p-1 not the aim7p-2 as they would have specifically mentioned in the listed missiles(just like they did for the aim7m and aim7mh) or the statement it says about that neither of the two related documents of this 3.22.4(2005) or 3.22.5 (2000) mentioned the aim7p-2 neither denying or confirming if it can use aim7P-2 specifically
And where did you come up with that conclusion
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We are talking about the same document, the same page, which stated:
“The AIM-7P incorporated a new computer processor, several Sea Sparrow software changes and a fuzing change. All of these changes are transparent to all F-14 aircraft. Designating the weapon as an AIM-7M H-build will permit use of all AIM-7M H-build enhanced launch modes in the AIM-7P. The functionality in the weapon is identical between the AIM-7M H-build and AIM-7P.”
Again, it is the F-14 limitation. If the F-14 only designated 7P Block I as 7 MH, but 7P Block II as 7P. Why would the manual review in 2004, 11 years after the introduction of Block II, not specifically state that F-14D radar designated AIM 7P Block II as AIM 7P?
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