better armour, and faster. in game its a superior tank.
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Their mobility is close enough. the M4A3(76)W wins in stabilizer and reload while the T-34-85 has better armor, hell even if you give the small mobility advantage to the T-34-85 it would still be a decent trade off. The M4A3(76)W and T-34-85 are pretty solid counterparts for 5.7.
And I know you want to bring the argument “I have played them and have a 60% winrate in them, so that means they are strong”, but be aware that you are not the only one that can play that card.
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I have no idea what my winrate is. from playing shermans (and plenty of sealclubbing in fireflies, yes that one isnt stabilised but thats not a big deal), myself i simply cant see their much more sluggish mobility letting them work anywhere near as well.
I just know that the thing is disgusting at 5.7 as you WILL beat everything that hasnt got the armour to ignore you unless you are side on to them, even then a lot of the time a slight angle allows the BR365 shell to lolpen because those shells penetrate angles like they are made of ice cream wafer sandwiches.
Edit: yea youre right my winrates are in the 60%s on the D5T (allegedly the bad one) and on the partisan. 72% in the IS1 too btw, and thats just a T-34-85 with better armour
In my experience the M18 at 6.0 is just an upgrade over the T-34-85. It has usable optics, significantly better mobility, and it doesn’t have nearly useless armour that just weighs you down.
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I assume these Shermans you have played are the Firefly and Sherman II? Then you aren’t wrong about the mobility for those tanks, the main thing is that the M4A3(76)W beats these in terms of mobility.
Compared to the Firefly the M4A3 is lighter (32.9t vs 37.1t) and has a better engine (500 HP vs 425 HP). Compared to the Sherman II the M4A3 is slightly heavier (32.9t vs 30.6t) while having a better engine (500 HP vs 400 HP.
I have a 63.5% winrate in my M4A3(76)W over 565 games, so that winrate range isn’t particularly impressive for a 5.7 tank.
It also doesn’t make the T-34-85 look like this vastly superior medium tank.
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Its beyond me how that little rat is still only 6.0. It genuinely looks like an AMX-13 equal but with FV107 scimitar mobility. if it was only in a minor nation it would be 6.7 easily
(I know why, USA mains. I hunt them in the tetrach on occasion for the fun of it)
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Im also including the Ram tanks in the sherman list as they are basically lower tier jumbos, especially in playstyle.
Extra ton of weight, and lower top speed. Will get though gears faster on hilly terrain but as most maps are flat bowls at that BR the T-34 still wins overall. Far better reverse too.
this is from stock grinding, Im grinding the USSR tree and have moved on to the IS-2 now. Stock grinds for most other tanks ive played in germany and britain have been painful more than not. USSR was instantly more than competitive once i had parts.
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???
The firefly is heavier than the M4A3 and has a worse engine. The Sherman II’s lower weight is also massively offset by the 20% less engine power.
5 vs 8 is hardly a massive difference in practice. Both die if they need to reverse.
Stock grinding doesn’t have to mean that much in terms of winrate. My French M4A3E2 is stock (6 games played) and sits at an 83% winrate.
Both of these tanks can easily be the same BR and honestly should be.
was comparing the sherman 76 to the t34
still a 30% improvement, and it makes cresting from a hull down spot to shoot much safer, even with half the depression
it does for a lot of the vehicles ive played, however tbf thats primarily britain which gets screwed over a LOT
or extremely close, like 5.7 for the sherman and 6.0 for the T-34 ;-)
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I mean I technically wouldn’t complain since it would make the M4A3 even more easy mode for me.
Centurion sure, most M60s are just bad though
I flank and spank with centurions… they really arent that slow
I just wanna say, the T-34’s armor strength does not come from T H I C Cness alone. It’s a complete volumetric black hole, being near completely impervious to HE, and occasionally tanking long 88mm to the face.
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The T-34-85s aren’t under tiered… but okay lol.
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Are you trying to tell me there is a very good 6.7 Russian heavy tank?
I’m kinda confused what your getting at to be honest.
They have low p/w and low top speeds
but very good gearing meaning its doing 22mph everywhere, youre getting to positions not far behind the others.
considering its a ww2 tank its keeping up with the designs of the 60s incredibly well
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