I downloaded the images from the datamine. In the post, I reduced them to 75% size to avoid clutter.
I’ll dm YaSen later today assuming he doesn’t get to it first. We can probably work out an new list we are both content with.
I thought you would make a final decision about inclusion of suggested changes.
I’m against reloading nerfs, it’s on par with other similar cannons, Soviet 45 mm 20-K for example. I listed vehicles in their current state, if anything I prefer them to stay a bit overtiered than unnecessary nerfed in terms of characteristics.
I kind of make final decisions here and there. But this whole thread was meant to have logical player input.
You and him both said very similar things, and while I agree, I don’t have all the time to sift through everything, hence why I typically only add one vehicle at a time.
I’m generally of the opinion that most low rank vehicles have overturned fire rates, especially the soviet 45 mm. This perception does affect how I approach low rank balance (which there is currently not much of, in part due to excessive fire rates).
Ig I have no issue with them just getting moved down as is, but I was trying to consider how Gajin treats vehicles with powerful APHE rounds.
Reload changes aside, do you agree with all the BR changes? I proposed putting the M15/42 and AB43 a bit lower than you did, and moved the M14/41 down as well.
M14/41 can be placed lower yeah, since mobility advantage over M13/40 (III) is not that high, though personally I’m ok with it being 2.0, I find it quite enjoyable as well as AS42/47, mobility actually brings a lot for such fast firing cannon.
AB.43 and M15/42 would be perfect at 2.3 imo as they were at that BR in the past, Japanese Chi-HE maybe too.
They won’t be uptiered to 3.7 black hole, which is the main issue. Although maybe some decompression would be more preferable.
I remember @Conte_Baracca was active on Italian low tier changes, maybe he would like to share his opinion.
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I’m fine with AB 43 being 2.3. It’s a rat tank. It will make due.
I’m a little more insistent on the M15/42 being 2.0 with nerfs. It’s still objectively worse than the Pz. III J, which just does everything better. If that were to go up due to the decompression you mentioned, I’d be completely fine with it at 2.3.
Regardless, I’ll take what I can get ig for downtiers. Anything is better than nothing.
The T30 does absolutely NOT need to be raised in BR. it is perfectly balanced where it is. It’s reload time makes it extremely situational. And it’s armor is easily defeated when the enemy shoots its many many weak spots. Please leave it where it is. As it has been perfectly fine where it is since release.
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The M14/41 also has a better armored driver’s hatch which covers a lot of the flat upper hull front. Meh. I think a lot of these BR’s are artificially high due to Italy tending to be played by more experienced players who are picking up a second or third tree.
Fair. I’m just saying what is in game. Accuracy and Italy do not go together in Gaijin’s world.
Let me known when you’ve got it all set, and @ me
Leopard 2A6, Leopard 2 PSO 12.7 → 12.3
T-90M 12.7 → 12.3
T-72B3A 12.3 → 12.0
IPM1 11.3 → 11.7
M1A2, M1A1 HC, M1A1 AIM, Click-Bait 12.0 → 12.3
BMPT 11.3 → 11.7
Object 906 8.0 → 8.3
TURM III 8.3 → 8.7
Pz.Kpfw. IV Ausf. J 3.7 → 3.3
AUBL 74 HVG 8.0 → 7.3
Churchill III 4.0 → 3.7
Waffenträger 5.7 → 5.3
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This thing could go to 12.7 and be just fine
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man this thread is a joke, you’re seriously trying to argue that the t1e1 has better armour than a kv-220 crazy.
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Please point out where he have said that
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M1A1 changes?
Goofy ahh changes
So, just my thoughts here.
Obj.906 is only good if your team lets the flank fold, which gives any light tank a good chance to be very effective. Also due to the loudness increase of all Soviet light tanks, and grits rather large size, I think it’s balanced perfectly at 8.0
Aubl 74 HVG doesn’t need a br decrease as crazy as it sounds, because it won’t make it any better. It merely needs a reload buff, to make it load as quick as 4.0 - 4.5 secs.
Then, my last thought is the Waffentrager, it’s a potent long 88mm at 5.7, you can pierce anything easily. Play it like a long range sniper and you’re golden. It’s very low profile and better than the Nashorn.
OH HELL NAW
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