This list is old, the za-35 was 8.3 when it was made.
Also, just shoot the optics on any tank, the m247 is likely to over pressure them.
I’ve done it to Leo’s, t series, MBT-70s, of-40s etc.
Id have to look at the mods list before I chimed in on that
still doesn’t make it any less painful to play, M822 needs to be lower as it’s MUUCH worse without HEVT
Pretty much all the early radar SPAA should move up together.
M163/ZSU-23 to 8.3
Gepard (and its clones) to 9.0
PZG09 to 9.3
M247 and to 9.7
M163 should really be 7.7 again, It’s crazy that thing can even see 6.3 planes when it’s a Vietnam era spaa
Japan
Type 16 (P/ FPS) 9.3 → 9.7
Type 16 9.7 → 10.0
Being a rather mobile platform with good penetration and survivability, it’s a miracle these tanks have stayed under the radar. They out preform most of what they will ever see.
SUB-I-II need to go up
5.3 to 6.0
Italian low tier tanks, GRB:
M15/42 2.7 → 2.3
Low caliber cannon, which is often incapable to penetrate even same br tanks, let alone in uptier. Mobility and armor don’t justify br either.
AB43 2.7 → 2.3
Good mobility, but again too low penetration for that br, especially compared to other similar “light tanks”.
M14/41 (47/40) 2.3 →2.0
While it is a bit better armed than the regular M14/41, the difference is not that big and its mobility makes the tank too slow to compete with other tanks of the same class, equipped with relatively low caliber cannons;
M13/40 (II) 2.0 → 1.7
M13/40 (III) 2.0 → 1.7
Rather slow tanks with a not that good penetration, below average armor, its competitors are placed lower in br.
M13/40 (I) 1.7 → 1.3
Same as the second and the third series, but with much longer reloading time, which makes it less capable.
m163 is fine at 7.3 with 2km range and bad tracking the shilkas too they are fine in 8.0
M163A2 at 8.3 sure. M163 is fine where it is right now maybe up a bit
M163 should probably be moved back to 7.7
It’s not bad, it just requires actual sentience to use. Something that most SPAA mains don’t have.
I’m not saying M163 should be same BR as Gepard. I’m saying that rank 5+ SPAAs in general needa be moved up.
All helis except non-ATGM helicopters should go up too imo
“Hey, the SPAAs which mostly work against ground vehicles because GJN made their gun dispersion and accuracy terrible need to move up further.” Okay, sure thing Pangolin. If it was left to you, all SPAAs would be at a BR where at most they’d be a slight inconvenience to CAS.
The Italian heli could be a 3.0 and still be bad
It’s bad.
Not a thing that exists
Slight inconvenience? He would not want to be inconvenienced at all in his CAS vehicles…
For once we agree.
Funny how he says he is a tank main in other threads while advocating for any usable SPAA to go up (not because they are too good against tanks but because they work too well against planes).
As a tank main, I can confidently say the Gepards are more than just “usable”
Got that backwards. When someone with a brain uses it (even someone as bad as me) CAS is helpless against it.
Sadly, most SPAA mains have no such brain.
Oh snap, I meant all except non-ATGM helis.
Where should ground BRs for heli go then?
Great. Now go shoot down planes with it even more.
Again making up concepts. SPAA mains are not really a thing.
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