Ground Vehicles **PROPOSED** RB battle rating changes

[_Renzo]

@Caernarvon02

I have no idea what my winrate is. from playing shermans (and plenty of sealclubbing in fireflies, yes that one isnt stabilised but thats not a big deal), myself i simply cant see their much more sluggish mobility letting them work anywhere near as well.

I assume these Shermans you have played are the Firefly and Sherman II? Then you aren’t wrong about the mobility for those tanks, the main thing is that the M4A3(76)W beats these in terms of mobility.

Compared to the Firefly the M4A3 is lighter (32.9t vs 37.1t) and has a better engine (500 HP vs 425 HP). Compared to the Sherman II the M4A3 is slightly heavier (32.9t vs 30.6t) while having a better engine (500 HP vs 400 HP.

@Caernarvon02

I just know that the thing is disgusting at 5.7 as you WILL beat everything that hasnt got the armour to ignore you unless you are side on to them, even then a lot of the time a slight angle allows the BR365 shell to lolpen because those shells penetrate angles like they are made of ice cream wafer sandwiches.

Edit: yea youre right my winrates are in the 60%s on the D5T (allegedly the bad one) and on the partisan. 72% in the IS1 too btw, and thats just a T-34-85 with better armour

I have a 63.5% winrate in my M4A3(76)W over 565 games, so that winrate range isn’t particularly impressive for a 5.7 tank.

It also doesn’t make the T-34-85 look like this vastly superior medium tank.

[Caernarvon02]

Its beyond me how that little rat is still only 6.0. It genuinely looks like an AMX-13 equal but with FV107 scimitar mobility. if it was only in a minor nation it would be 6.7 easily

(I know why, USA mains. I hunt them in the tetrach on occasion for the fun of it)

[Caernarvon02]

Im also including the Ram tanks in the sherman list as they are basically lower tier jumbos, especially in playstyle.

@_Renzo

M4A3(76)W beats these in terms of mobility.

Extra ton of weight, and lower top speed. Will get though gears faster on hilly terrain but as most maps are flat bowls at that BR the T-34 still wins overall. Far better reverse too.

@_Renzo

I have a 63.5% winrate in my M4A3(76)W over 565 games, so that winrate range isn’t particularly impressive for a 5.7 tank.

It also doesn’t make the T-34-85 look like this vastly superior medium tank.

this is from stock grinding, Im grinding the USSR tree and have moved on to the IS-2 now. Stock grinds for most other tanks ive played in germany and britain have been painful more than not. USSR was instantly more than competitive once i had parts.

[_Renzo]

@Caernarvon02

Extra ton of weight, and lower top speed.

???

The firefly is heavier than the M4A3 and has a worse engine. The Sherman II’s lower weight is also massively offset by the 20% less engine power.

@Caernarvon02

Far better reverse too.

5 vs 8 is hardly a massive difference in practice. Both die if they need to reverse.

@Caernarvon02

this is from stock grinding,

Stock grinding doesn’t have to mean that much in terms of winrate. My French M4A3E2 is stock (6 games played) and sits at an 83% winrate.

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Both of these tanks can easily be the same BR and honestly should be.

[Caernarvon02]

@_Renzo

???

The firefly is heavier than the M4A3 and has a worse engine. The Sherman II’s lower weight is also massively offset by the 20% less engine power.

Caernarvon02:

was comparing the sherman 76 to the t34

@_Renzo

5 vs 8 is hardly a massive difference in practice. Both die if they need to reverse.

still a 30% improvement, and it makes cresting from a hull down spot to shoot much safer, even with half the depression

@_Renzo

Stock grinding doesn’t have to mean that much in terms of winrate. My French M4A3E2 is stock (6 games played) and sits at an 83% winrate.

it does for a lot of the vehicles ive played, however tbf thats primarily britain which gets screwed over a LOT

@_Renzo

Both of these tanks can easily be the same BR and honestly should be.

or extremely close, like 5.7 for the sherman and 6.0 for the T-34 ;-)

[_Renzo]

@Caernarvon02

or extremely close, like 5.7 for the sherman and 6.0 for the T-34 ;-)

I mean I technically wouldn’t complain since it would make the M4A3 even more easy mode for me.

[Normandy_Corsair]

@Aegis270

At the same time, I can acknowledge that, despite my personal dislike of them, they’re solid tanks. They work, and they don’t need to be adjusted (mostly).

Centurion sure, most M60s are just bad though

[Caernarvon02]

@Aegis270

Centurions

@Aegis270

into my aggressive, flank focused playstyle

I flank and spank with centurions… they really arent that slow

[Pangolin_Fan]

@rainy2000

The T-34-85’s armour is decent for 5.7, but starts to become obsolete past 6.0

I just wanna say, the T-34’s armor strength does not come from T H I C Cness alone. It’s a complete volumetric black hole, being near completely impervious to HE, and occasionally tanking long 88mm to the face.

[UniqueScorpions-live]

The T-34-85s aren’t under tiered… but okay lol.

[UniqueScorpions-live]

Are you trying to tell me there is a very good 6.7 Russian heavy tank?

I’m kinda confused what your getting at to be honest.

[Normandy_Corsair]

@Caernarvon02

they really arent that slow

They have low p/w and low top speeds

[Caernarvon02]

@Normandy_Corsair

They have low p/w and low top speeds

but very good gearing meaning its doing 22mph everywhere, youre getting to positions not far behind the others.

considering its a ww2 tank its keeping up with the designs of the 60s incredibly well

[UniqueScorpions-live]

Months later and I’m still wonder why these hand held tanks are still the br that they are:

[Pangolin_Fan]

Because most of those are either average or trash. The Jumbos are just flat overtiered.

The only ones you can really make an argument for raising are the T26E5 and the T32, however neither of those are even the best at their BR and 6.7-8.3 is extremely compressed so you could make a case that pretty much any tank within that range should be raised.

[Pheonix_RX01]

I quite like the T34 and T26E1-1 both imo are pretty good at 6.7 T34 could definitely go to 7.0, I still have it when playing the M46 at 7.0

[Normandy_Corsair]

How are any of these besides the T58 considered overpowered to you

[UniqueScorpions-live]

Have you played any of them?

[Normandy_Corsair]

yes…

[UniqueScorpions-live]

Then you should know.

Especially since you have a 3.0 KDr in the T20, and T29, and something else.

I’m actually a little surprised you don’t do well in the Jumbos

Granted I myself have very old stats for the jumbos when I was a nub